I'm an alcoholic

well I think we have established who the hardmen are (were)!

hardmen

more scotsman in my case

20 pints of beer is a lot of liquid.

yeah i think when crazy quantities of beer are involved it might be hyponatremia which makes the hangover so bad

there was a bar here that had a promotion where if you could drink a pint of all 13 of their craft beers (ranging from like 5-10% ABV) then it was all free and you'd get a T-shirt. in hindsight this was a wickedly irresponsible promotion to have since that amount of alcohol can be legitimately dangerous though admittedly I almost tried it myself, at least until a buddy of mine did and wound up puking all over someone's car

where was that? I tended bar in hawaii for a period of time and they only recently changed the law that you can serve someone more than one drink at a time. Like, if they wanted one for a friend or a table, you would have to identify where the extra drink was going or take it to them.

there were they were the strictest place I have ever bartended. You even needed a bartender card showing you completed the alcohol safety class.

Reading this thread is . . . er, sobering.

I quit smoking cigarettes 7 years ago and it made a huge difference on my alcohol intake. I used to tell myself, "one more cigarette" 2-3 times at the end of a night and of course I would have to have a drink with each one. Probably the best thing to replace alcohol with is regular exercise. I was able to get in a certain zone where I appreciated how the exercise made me feel about my self/body and too much booze would interfere with that feeling.

As I've gotten older I find the amount of alcohol that causes a mild hangover has gotten dramatically lower, especially if hard liquor is involved. If I do two martinis I can almost guarantee a hangover. I hate being hungover so this had been an effective deterrent for me.

That being said, I have a drink 7 days a week generally. Usually 1 high ABV beer each weeknight (plus a second lower ABV one once in a while). On a weekend evening I will usually split a bottle of wine and have 1-2 beers. Plus I will puff tuff once a weekend (averaging about 1-2 times per month). I feel like I have it pretty under control, but the idea of giving up drinking gives me the chills.

I have thoughts on this subj.

drinking is bad for your liver, and probably bad for your mind (in excess)

i personally originate from a classic blend of bad dna drinking ppl genes. roughly 3/4 of my ancestors on one side eventually succumbed to alcoholism

that said, alcohol is a huge boon for those of us who are insanely inhibited and don't even know where to begin when it comes to interacting with other human beings during weddings, funerals, job interviews, first dates, etc.

alchohol presses on the verbal part of the mind and sometimes makes ppl write better. they can stretch out and find the words.

donald trump is a teetotaler. his brother's death notwithstanding, fascists love to exercise weird standards of mental hygiene and shit.

i have done extremely regretable things while wasted on booze. mostly involving yelling at undeserved people incoherently. but that prompts the question, what dynamics prompted said yelling, why are societal mechanisms so repressive etc.

there are people who should probably never drink? they have a couple and then they land in second act of hamlet 2-land

dale pendell wrote a couple of books about psychoactive substances. he took every drug known to man/ladies. read his books. we need plants to even function fairly rudimentarily, whether sugar, chocolate, booze, etc.

it is an ecology. none of us live forever. is it bad to not live forever? death is not a bad thing!

being sick is not a bad thing. it's ok to be diseased.

Srs question: have you witnessed someone die from liver failure? Death is fine but to the extent that I can minimize the likelihood of that particular dying experience—I’ll do that.

Not IRL but 2 years ago my first boyfriend* died of complications related to severe alcoholism. i had seen/spoken with him exactly 1x since high school and was not aware of his alcoholism but obviously it was very very advanced. it was profoundly depressing not because i cared about him (sorry but tbh I did not) but because he was relatively young and was kind of a recluse and clearly the addiction got the best of him. dying at 41 from alcoholism -- no one wants to go out like that. it was a potent reminder that human bodies aren't fragile but they're fragile enough to collapse under the weight of prolonged heavy drinking.

*he was terrible to me, so i did not have fond feelings for him but he was significant in terms of my life history

A few years ago a nutritionist got me to do a cleanse and cut out alcohol/caffeine/meat/sugar/white flour/dairy and some other stuff for about a month. Basically reducing my diet down to the very minimum. I was surprised by the following results:

1. Of all the things I cut out, what I craved most was wine

2. The cleanse did not make me feel markedly better overall. The positive feelings of being "clean" were offset by a feeling of gloominess and anomie. It led me to believe that alcohol had been providing a certain base level cheerfulness to my life. Not just the actual drinking, but also knowing I could look forward to a drink every day, if I wanted it

Late, but best of luck to sleeve and all dealing with this. Sure know what it’s like.

thanks LBI

it's just a part of a larger problem, but it's something I can do to get more clarity and to show my partner that I can make changes. some of the stuff itt is so foreign to me, I can't imagine being able to drink more than, say, 8 drinks and I would get totally sick before even going to sleep if I did that. doesn't mean that I don't have a problem, but I guess it makes me grateful I don't/can't do that?

and yeah the partner of an extremely close friend died of liver failure, it was fucking horrifying. he vomited blood all over their house.

Srs question: have you witnessed someone die from liver failure? Death is fine but to the extent that I can minimize the likelihood of that particular dying experience—I’ll do that.

being in a body is the ultimate indignity. i take it as a given that I will die in a bad and embarrassing way. How could it be any different? The human body is disgusting.

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not wrong tbh

mine's nice

don't harsh bodies like that, I mean have you seen my glorious penis

the protuberances can be beautiful... the overall system is gross and disgusting. the shit moving (or not moving) through the intestinal tract, etc. the food stuck in the gums and putrefying there. the slavery to gravity.

unidirectional faces

yes bodies have some issues, most of the alternatives are worse though

such as?

think of what sort of karma we must have incurred to be embodied (presumably!) in these literal shit machines!

xp jacking in to cyberspace—what if ukrainians ransomware your unattended meatslab??!

can we not give james cameron any more ideas pls

this is where I say that I don't get most movies bc i don't identify w the body. but true! what do i reasonably have to do with my body or my thoughts? they all arrive unbidden, and then fade away. the greatest sinner of all is the mind, which claims identity with the ephemeral body. look into it. what truly exists? upon inspection not the body nor the mind.

what truly exists?

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your mom

Bodies kick ass, fuiud

xpost

that was actually my default answer for years when ppl would ask me "where are you from?"

but now I know that it's wrong. where I am from is now. taken further, where ~I~ am from, nowhere. all of this is because of me.

however beautiful yr precious mind is, you can’t get a badass tattoo on it

the fourth great turning of the wheel xxxp

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look into it. i gave up everything and have no interest in anything except as sandcastles that children play with. i wouldn't say it if i didn't live it.

Bodies are cool and poop is pretty cool too, don't get it on yourself or anything but it deserves respect

What the hell has happened to the boozer thread

it's a shambles

Should not have expected otherwise obv.

I'm just sobering up from a day of drinking--things have been very emotionally tough the past few months, and I started therapy for the first time about two weeks ago. I was open with my therapist about my binge drinking habits, but I sort of sidestepped the fact that while I just enjoy the feeling of being drunk, sometimes I get drunk when I don't want to be. She tried to ask a clarifying question a number of times, "but do you ABUSE alcohol?" And I kept saying that I don't know what she means by "abuse," but if it means what I think it means, then yes. I don't know why she had to ask more than twice, but she insisted on the question. I couldn't tell if she didn't believe me or if I wasn't clear.

I don't always know how to reconcile that I want to drink even when I don't want to drink.

Should be a full day of drinking tomorrow, an annual barbecue I attend is happening.

Love lawn games and beers.

As an aside

Jesus Christ boys, the fuckin acid reflux.

thats the fuckin truth but

sorry thread turned to shit

ianaa but im on passing filial terms or have been bytimes with a few doozies and sincere good luck to all dealing regardless of inclination to discuss bodies/poop itt

I am glad bodies shit out most of the mass they consume instead of growing and growing until they are stars. Stars for my mean dad, the king.

being sick is not a bad thing. it's ok to be diseased.

Other del, this seems like an irresponsible and insensitive thing to post on a thread that was only bumped because one of our own, some guy named sleeve, felt strongly enough about his sickness that he would go to this channel for some support in fighting it. It's sort of the whole point of this thread. No one using it for their intended purpose needs to know about gut flora research, read drunk peoples thought experiments, or hear excuses about how we can be one with everything, including sickness. Just, no. Knowing what I know about recovery-seeking among the powerless, they want literature pertinent to that mode of thought. Is it too much to ask that we resist the impulse to channel the shittiest imitation of kerouac we can muster, and instead simply support (or simply not not support) someone we may want to pretend is our friend?

Been having a rough go of it, and things are slated to get harder--hoping for recommendations on managing urges when in a minefield of triggers.

What are your triggers?

"Stars for my mean dad, the king" this is my favorite GYBE/Mogwai collaboration album!

Let’s stay focused ppl

I know this won’t seem like a big deal maybe but I am 48 hours smoke-free— down from 10-15 a day overnight

I know that at hour 73 it’s like angels singing and I feel like I can run 10 miles so I’m holding on through it

Weird how stress/anxiety alleviation brings back your capacity toward discipline