PMs change and lol we're all gonna die (but brexit will never end)

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It's the Conservative and UNIONIST Party, not the Conservative and FUNionist Party.

Andrew Farrell, Friday, 30 August 2019 11:21 (six years ago)

thanks mark, I guess he can ditch the DUP if he calls an election but that gives no way to make any lasting arrangements (can't do it after dissolving parliament, have v limited time to do anything underhand beforehand before someone works out that they're being screwed)

back to the wall of post-it notes and pieces of string

a passing spacecadet, Friday, 30 August 2019 11:25 (six years ago)

or why anybody (read journalists) is taking the idea of a renegotiation remotely seriously

If you want me to go on about how shit political journalists in this country are yet again, you’re going about it the right way.

gyac, Friday, 30 August 2019 11:29 (six years ago)

He can't call a pre-Brexit election, because the Brexit Party will stand against him for resisting the allure of No Deal and they'll be fucked. He has to have an election forced upon him, which is still a plausible explanation for the current shitshow.

stet, Friday, 30 August 2019 12:12 (six years ago)

it is. tho as bush said trying to work out whether they’re lying or crazy, with the preferable one being lying, is hard.

Fizzles, Friday, 30 August 2019 12:14 (six years ago)

has there been any follow-up* on cummings sacking sajid javid's aide last night?

*informational or kremlinological

mark s, Friday, 30 August 2019 12:19 (six years ago)

nothing i’ve seen. i mean i assume its for the yellowhammer leak.

Fizzles, Friday, 30 August 2019 12:25 (six years ago)

this is good on why vonc isn’t likely to be the best approach:

Opponents of the Prime Minister’s Brexit plan have been exploring two avenues of challenge. The first is through a statutory vote of no confidence, as stipulated in the 2011 Fixed-Term Parliaments Act. The Leader of the Opposition would have to table a motion, and the following day MPs would vote on whether “This House has confidence in Her Majesty’s Government.” If successful, a 14 calendar day period would then begin, where an alternative candidate must demonstrate support of at least 320 MPs, be appointed Prime Minister and then win a statutory vote of confidence. If no candidate, or the original PM, cannot regain confidence, then an election would follow.

Opposition MPs are now reluctant to follow this for two reasons – firstly that neither Jeremy Corbyn, nor any other candidate seems likely to win a vote of confidence. Secondly, that an election after the 14 day period has elapsed would probably be held after 31st October.

The second route being explored is to pass legislation, in a similar manner to the Cooper-Letwin Bill in March, which orders the Government to seek an extension from the EU. The previously successful legislation took five days to pass the Commons and the Lords, so with time looking even shorter in early September, opponents of a no-deal Brexit cannot afford any delay. They must also look to the Speaker of the Commons to bend Standing Orders to allow a substantive motion to capture time off the Government, which currently controls all business in the Commons.

Fizzles, Friday, 30 August 2019 12:28 (six years ago)

bercow’s response to proroguing suggests that he would enable this. tho lord’s fillibustering can’t be ruled out.

Fizzles, Friday, 30 August 2019 12:29 (six years ago)

Story I heard was they were told to delete old social media postings that might make them seem like hypocrites; Javid's SPAD refused presumably because of Streisand effect, was sacked.

The posts were deleted and suddenly twitter explodes with receipts of Javid's hypocrisy. xp

stet, Friday, 30 August 2019 12:31 (six years ago)

agree Corbyn would struggle to win a VONC, but am certain this is because parliament is full of cunts

the legislative approach feels like little more than another stalemate and there will be Lords who definitely filibuster

Joe Proroguin' (Noodle Vague), Friday, 30 August 2019 12:31 (six years ago)

Cumberbatch will be already thinking about the scene where he ruthlessly turfs the insubordinate Hammond mole out onto the street.

calzino, Friday, 30 August 2019 12:33 (six years ago)

This is Sonia Khan, once of the Taxpayer's Alliance, so, you know, cry me a river.

Ned Trifle X, Friday, 30 August 2019 12:45 (six years ago)

Sorry if that sounds harsh.

Ned Trifle X, Friday, 30 August 2019 12:46 (six years ago)

Not harsh at all, wouldn't care if she was dropped into a shark tank!

calzino, Friday, 30 August 2019 12:49 (six years ago)

i don’t think anyone cares, it’s just...

*what’s going on in there?*

Fizzles, Friday, 30 August 2019 12:51 (six years ago)

and the answer is of course very strict messaging, very strict control and don’t put any of those idiot fuckers anywhere near tv. which works fine until a GE.

Fizzles, Friday, 30 August 2019 12:53 (six years ago)

seems good? bad news for the Territorial Alliance?

OMG!!!
A v small ray of sunshine in ongoing national shitshow..but @BBC has introduced a new policy on think tanks! That includes info on "funding"!!
*faints*
Look! And it only took all of us going on & on for years (& a strategic ambush of the director general at a public event) pic.twitter.com/ZYCSydRHbF

— Carole Cadwalladr (@carolecadwalla) August 30, 2019

nashwan, Friday, 30 August 2019 12:57 (six years ago)

It doesn't seem all that significant unless they're going to stop allowing think tanks with opaque funding on shows.

ShariVari, Friday, 30 August 2019 13:09 (six years ago)

I haven't noticed Kate Andrews on the beeb for ages, but sadly she's still alive.

calzino, Friday, 30 August 2019 13:19 (six years ago)

these people are like the "historians" who turn up on every "did the Templars fake the moon landing?" and "hey guys let's have another look at the Nazis" documentary - they cite their countless TV appearances on their websites as proof of credibility and then get invited onto loads more TV shows because hey clearly they're experts

Joe Proroguin' (Noodle Vague), Friday, 30 August 2019 13:24 (six years ago)

*bizarro and me falling over one another to note that YES the templars DID fake the moon landing, wake up sheeple*

mark s, Friday, 30 August 2019 13:28 (six years ago)

this has an example of that, and as an extra added bonus, the "academic" in question is from our old friends Spiked https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-49435041

Captain ACAB (Neil S), Friday, 30 August 2019 13:33 (six years ago)

that's just terrible writing from the Beeb isn't it? "Author and academic", no credentials, no sense of their standing within their own unnamed academic field, any one of us could turn up as an author and academic on those terms and say whatever we felt like

Joe Proroguin' (Noodle Vague), Friday, 30 August 2019 13:36 (six years ago)

Yeah, unforgivably poor. Her credentials seem to be that she has written some books along the lines of "universities eh, what's that all about?", and that along with being friends with Brendan O'Neill is enough to make her an "expert". It's illustrative of the BBC's problems with "balance": balance is seen to be off-setting some perfectly reasonable initiative or POV with someone who has nothing to offer or is actively acting in bad faith, as in this example.

Captain ACAB (Neil S), Friday, 30 August 2019 13:44 (six years ago)

i've seen Claire Fox being present on shows as the nominal left wing balance a few times. it's beyond a joke.

calzino, Friday, 30 August 2019 13:49 (six years ago)

that's Claire Fox MEP to you, buddy

Captain ACAB (Neil S), Friday, 30 August 2019 13:52 (six years ago)

Use her full title, Claire “The Bosnian genocide never happened” Fox MEP

gyac, Friday, 30 August 2019 13:54 (six years ago)

Didn't her sister write a similar piece about the Rwandan genocide? I could check but on the phone rn

calzino, Friday, 30 August 2019 14:01 (six years ago)

*bizarro and me falling over one another to note that YES the templars DID fake the moon landing, wake up sheeple*


sorry i’m late, cosine this obv but must also note the crucial role of the reverse vampires in preventing the ussr from harnessing the power of alien technology hidden on the dark side of the moon, as lightly allegorised in 2001: a space odyssey

lowkey goatsed on the styx (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 30 August 2019 14:34 (six years ago)

xps to myself

yep Fiona Fox wrote a toxic piece for LM called "Massacring the truth in Rwanda" which described the use of the word genocide as an "emotional overreaction".

calzino, Friday, 30 August 2019 14:59 (six years ago)

The fox sisters and Nora mulready worthy nominations for the continuing awful contributions of the Irish diaspora to public life

gyac, Friday, 30 August 2019 16:08 (six years ago)

Just linking this excellent Rory Stewart content for xyzzzzzzz & mark s

chuckling at the filename of this photo of Rory Stewart pic.twitter.com/2h9rcv0fLj

— Henry Dyer (@Direthoughts) August 30, 2019

gyac, Friday, 30 August 2019 17:08 (six years ago)

: )

Fizzles, Friday, 30 August 2019 17:19 (six years ago)

Always glad to be reminded that we're a bunch of oil paintings here, don't know what I'd do if I was sharing my thoughts with people who were only mentally, not physically, the elite.

Andrew Farrell, Friday, 30 August 2019 17:43 (six years ago)

not sure that’s about the looks so much, as the self perception of “best” as serious quizzical-but-kindly interrogative look.

and that he called it that in da metadata.

Fizzles, Friday, 30 August 2019 17:47 (six years ago)

xp Rory Stewart’s looks are like the least of his worries and picture wise that’s way better than most of the ones out there. It’s the labelling of it as best, as though he sat there and very seriously ranked a number of photos before lighting on one as “best” and uploading it without renaming it.

- speaking as someone who is not physically elite and who generally prefers “weird” looking men!

gyac, Friday, 30 August 2019 18:12 (six years ago)

Wow, thanks.

ShariVari, Friday, 30 August 2019 18:13 (six years ago)

Looks like there’s more than one communist on here who can’t read!

gyac, Friday, 30 August 2019 18:14 (six years ago)

*throws little-read book down in front of gyac*

YouGov to see it (wins), Friday, 30 August 2019 18:21 (six years ago)

real talk, folks: rory stewart is, objectively speaking, a hideous hose-beast

lowkey goatsed on the styx (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 30 August 2019 18:25 (six years ago)

deal with it

lowkey goatsed on the styx (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 30 August 2019 18:25 (six years ago)

he's no rory mcgrath

calzino, Friday, 30 August 2019 18:26 (six years ago)

his face looks like a mummified cat's arsehole, his skin looks like he's survived an airlocking.

calzino, Friday, 30 August 2019 18:29 (six years ago)

but I'm a believer in shaming tory twats by any means necessary, throw the decent conduct rule-book out the window with these bastards.

calzino, Friday, 30 August 2019 18:31 (six years ago)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EDNacr-WkAAHC7I?format=jpg&name=large

he's just pulled (a pint of tequila flavoured lager)

calzino, Friday, 30 August 2019 18:37 (six years ago)

it's a still from the Terence Davies trilogy obv (best pic)

calzino, Friday, 30 August 2019 18:40 (six years ago)

one for the real england thread shurely

lowkey goatsed on the styx (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 30 August 2019 18:40 (six years ago)

he's trying too hard for that thread imo

calzino, Friday, 30 August 2019 18:41 (six years ago)

appearance on Real England does not equal endorsement

Joe Proroguin' (Noodle Vague), Friday, 30 August 2019 18:53 (six years ago)


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