PMs change and lol we're all gonna die (but brexit will never end)

refer you to mark s’ wise words upthread:

as well as being byzantine and unwritten, the rules change and the meanings of the rules change!

this is what politics is, and the active space of politics is how much change can be made and how much will be tolerated

proroguing is legitimate. the expectation is that it’s for a couple of weeks prior to the Queen’s Speech. five weeks just before a potential deal is let’s say pushing the envelope of what people will tolerate. the extent to which tories won’t tolerate it is to be seen.

xpost to anvil.

It's a coincidence that the D&D thread's active this week because there are a lot of similarities between the UK constitution and a badly run role-playing game

I actually agree that the underhandedness of the proragation is not in proportion to the vapours displayed by some folks but it also represents an opportunity to attack the government so it has to be done

when are you guys gonna get around to murdering the queen

Surely the fault is with those who failed to close the door on the possibility of prorogation at time. If i dont close the door behind me and it rains on my carpet, I have to take some blame, can't put all the blame on clouds

I mean he said he was going to do it and everyone said ok striker knock yourself out

yes that is fair enough, they did have a chance. but the process of the last three years has been quite often a case of factions unable to avoiding the unavoidable until it actually became unavoidable and even then not quite managing it and relying on eg Theresa May to bail them out.

Oh there's plenty of blame to go round, we've been rolling our eyes for months at the inability of the opposing pols to get their shit together

the government’s path to this point has been facilitated by a desire not to oppose the government by people who claim to oppose what it is intending to do.

when are you guys gonna get around to murdering the queen

I wonder if Jacob Rees Mogg stares up the ceiling at night knowing he lied to the Queen.

Because he did.

— Emma Kennedy (@EmmaKennedy) August 29, 2019

There is something -- not nothing -- to be said for Johnson calling out all of the hero soft Tories.

I mean I haven't heard shit from Dominic Grieve in the last couple of days. I take the good news where I can find it.

Even now parliament is actually proroging itself, surely? If it didn't want to be prorogued they could just do a vote of no confidence, unless I'm missing something?

So the idea this is happening against parliaments will doesn't add up. It is parliaments will, or they would do something different

https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/NINTCHDBPICT000517078409.jpg

"can't put all the blame on clouds"

is that a land bridge between britain and a metastasising ireland?

I liked Emma Kennedy when she was Nostradamus, that was a while ago though.

there is a very weird strain in americans, whose political system is an absolute mockery of democracy and who are the most brutalized and incarcerated people by their own state in the developed world, finding the ceremonial functions of the queen or the constitutional conventions of the uk beyond the pale.

i mean yes the uk constitution is terrible ruritanian garbage

xpost to anvil

and its an absolutely fair point anvil especially as it gets to the crux of the matter that parliament, ie including the tory rebels so-called, have not collectively had the desire to defeat the government in meangful legislation.

aiui they can’t now unilaterally avoid proroguing, but they can still pass legislation to seek an extension or vonc during the time available to them.

When Americans are appalled at our "constitution" I basically feel flattered that they've bothered to take an interest.

Maybe we can have theirs, don't think they'll be needing it soon

Surely the fault is with those who failed to close the door on the possibility of prorogation at time.

As I was slowly scrolling through this thread and saw the tip of Calzino's image post, I thought it was going to be this - which I'm sure could easily be adapted into a pro/anti brexit image:

https://www.music-bazaar.com/album-images/vol3/221/221203/1579170-big/CAN-cover.jpg

More like CAN'T...

Corbyn brought the anti-prorogue amendment before the summer recess and unfortunately the noes had it, to much haw-haw-haw from Tory benches. Rare outburst of yelling from Corbyn: ‘you won’t be laughing in September!’

at this difficult time id like to point you to the irish model of "two big parties that do p much the same thing, vote one out when you're sick of the other" with a dash of actual political theory based sprinkling coalition partners

I was reading you guys trying to define FF and FG the other day and I can still never remember what the difference is but my friend's got a cousin who's a big cheese in the one of them

FF was founded by the long fella and FG was founded by the big fella.

FG had a fascist movement in the 30s called the Blueshirts.

FG is Barry’s tea and FF is Lyons.

FF gets a mention in the national anthem and FG doesn’t.

finding the ceremonial functions of the queen or the constitutional conventions of the uk beyond the pale.

tbc I'm just a defenestration fetishist

RTÉ’s insistence on calling them “Fianna Foyle” is much more annoying than “Fine Gwael”.

FG west brit thatcherites, FF thatcherites who like a rebel song now and then

At some point I'll develop a mnemonic but this has been helpful ta

FF: show up at the hurling
FG: rather be at the rugby

Friend's cousin is FF, I googled them, makes sense tbh

FF famous for their big cheeses so that checks out.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/smith-let-them-eat-cheese-26697206.html

Lol

FG is Barry’s tea and FF is Lyons.

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fuck....otm

fg: house with the big door
ff: i can get you a house with a door, sign here

Hurrah I’m a flake!

tbf a far more generous epithet than fookin' clueless ignoramus!

at this difficult time id like to point you to the irish model of "two big parties that do p much the same thing, vote one out when you're sick of the other" with a dash of actual political theory based sprinkling coalition partners

Australia's centrist party v narrowly lost the election to a coalition of right-wing headbangers of various stripes the other month, and within weeks had decided that instead of denigrating the government's actions in press and parliament, they would begin three years of campaigning that the concentration camps for brown people aren't harsh enough, and we should stop immigrants from coming by planes as well, and that as there's still some of the Great Barrier Reef left alive we should sell more of the second-largest state to foreign mining companies

I mean I guess we'll see how it goes

tbf a far more generous epithet than fookin' clueless ignoramus!

― calzino, Thursday, August 29, 2019 7:25 PM (fifty-eight minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

aka everyone who ever said Maduro is a piece of shit.

I mean I guess we'll see how it goes

update: 18 months after campaigning for same-sex marriage & seeing the largest surge in young ppl registering to vote ever, have announced they are excited to vote for new government loopholes eradicating anti-discrimination legislation, as long as you love jesus while you are saying gay ppl should be set on fire, and don't speciifcally ask anyone else to set the gay ppl on fire

i imagine there will also be a lot of use cases that make our lives look like a kakatopian nightmare future.

lol wrong thread. sort of.

irl sad lol

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Can't believe anyone's still paying any attention to that ineffectual washout.