2020 Democratic presidential primary

people wanted Warren to run last time, she's been laying this groundwork forever. Harris is behind her in that respect.

I thought Gillibrand did pretty good in the debates personally, better than Klobuchar for sure, and I don't dislike her nearly as much as everyone else appears to. I hope she has a long run in the Senate. I think she's a good person.

I don't dislike her she just didn't seem very good at running for President!

like Harris I think calling her a centrist is fundamentally inaccurate but whatever I'm in the minority on that point

gillibrand also disliked by some of what you might think of as her natural constituency because of the franken stuff.

i thought it was that and the difficulty fundraising that basically weighed her down? other than that i never really heard anyone saying anything terrible about her, she seemed like she would be good, a good campaigner, etc? just no traction

social media reactions to everything she said was about 95% angry Franken reactions, many from women. it was so over the top I found it a bit suspicious.

maybe I underestimate how popular Franken was in the midwest or something.

Gillibrand now drinks her whiskey alone.

xp they do love to grumble that he got a bad rap around here, maybe they are the people propping up biden's numbers too

gillibrand had a pretty terrible record, i think her candidacy would've been doomed no matter what:

The conspicuously progressive policy positions she’s taken, loudly, over the past year—support for a $15 minimum wage and single payer, resistance to the Trump agenda on everything from trans rights and DACA to Cabinet nominations—are in almost direct opposition to the campaign platform that carried her to Congress in 2007 as the unlikely winner of a seat representing a largely rural and heavily Republican district in upstate New York.

She was an attorney then—a partner making half a million dollars a year at Boies, Schiller & Flexner, the law firm now implicated in the Harvey Weinstein scandal and the top source of contributions to her House and Senate campaigns. Upon winning, she became a member of the Blue Dog Coalition of conservative Democrats. She supported a balanced budget amendment and a ban on deficit spending. Her immigration platform was of a piece with the proto-Trumpism brewing during George W. Bush’s second term—no amnesty or benefits for illegal aliens; a crackdown on sanctuary cities like New York ; more agents, fencing, and tech for the border; and legislation making English America’s official language. The Human Rights Campaign, an LGBTQ advocacy group, gave her the lowest rating of any New York Democrat in Congress for her positions on gay rights issues. Her rating from the National Rifle Association, meanwhile, was a solid 100 percent.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/02/kirsten-gillibrand-tries-to-explain-her-pro-gun-anti-immigrant-past.html

records don't matter. responding to constituents is what matters.

lol Boies, Schiller

Gillibrexit

Klobucharrividerci

Cory Bookin'

Castr-au revoir

De Bla-seeyalater

Go'Rourke

Old Yang Syne

But mostly I am hoping for... Bidend

lol, stealing

awesome.

A sad day for the Democrats, Kirsten Gillibrand has dropped out of the Presidential Primary. I’m glad they never found out that she was the one I was really afraid of!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) August 28, 2019

ok I loled

he clearly lurks here because he calls "the primaries" a primary

Has this not come up before?

Redoing this: SO today I learned that Warren’s daughter is the founder of a group called HealthAllies, which is now part of the for-profit health insurer UnitedHealth Group

In unrelated news Warren still hasn’t released a healthcare plan or *added Medicare4All to her platform*

— Esor (@esorfasal) August 28, 2019

I guess having Medicare for all as her position on her campaign website doesn’t count?

She did raise her hand when candidates were asked if they would abolish private insurance in the first debate and co-sponsored Sanders's M4A bill, I believe? xp

So did Harris, until she didn't. I'll believe it when she releases a plan

I don't see much about it on her website, though, aside from a passing reference as something that could be funded with an ultra-millionaire tax. Is there more? xp

and I'll say "when" not "if" because it would be lunacy not to

https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/senate-bill/1129/cosponsors

Again, Harris already proved co-sponsoring doesn't mean anything.

Cosponsors (14)

No cosponsors.

What does the "14" mean?

She co-sponsored Sanders' plan, she has said she'd abolish private insurance, but you're still attacking her because her daughter did something? Yeah, thaaaat's you being shitty, that's not her problem.

Though, tbf, she's definitely not going to abolish private insurance. But then again, neither is Sanders.

this is so stupid. so warren's daughter co-counded a healthcare startup 20 years ago? amazing.

^^^

20 years ago wasn't that long, we still had steve jobs johnny cash etc

yeah honestly I am a berner but that's reaching hard.

no, it's completely stupid. take that thoughtless shit back to twitter.

I do kind of like the "in unrelated news" pissy trolling set up though.

the idea that private healthcare will be explicitly legislated out of existence is ridiculous, no bill containing such a provision would ever pass, and even if it ever did it would be struck down as unconstitutional. Now, you could write legislation that would *effectively* kill private insurance by making it non-competitive, and change the rules of the market and then let those do their work - and I think eventually that is what will happen - but acting like staking out a "WE MUST OUTLAW PRIVATE INSURANCE NOW" position should be used as a litmus test for candidates or their plans is remarkably stupid.

What would be the constitutional principle protecting private insurance?

the commerce clause is tricky

I am not a lawyer but my guess is that a bill that contained a blanket "it is illegal for anyone except the government to provide health insurance" statement would be construed as exceeding the interstate commerce regulation powers granted to Congress by the commerce clause, and that the current configuration of the Supreme Court is likely to side with the narrow view in such a case.

wouldn't be too fair to judge bernie by the actions of his kids either

yeah honestly I am a berner but that's reaching hard.

― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, August 29, 2019 9:41 AM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

no, it's completely stupid. take that thoughtless shit back to twitter.

― Yerac, Thursday, August 29, 2019 9:43 AM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

Just to be clear, I'm agreeing with you

tbf the current supreme court is likely to strike down most federal statutes they don't care for as unconstitutional on the basis that the federal government isn't allowed to enact statutes

that the federal government can establish a healthcare system is settled law. that the federal government can explicitly outlaw entire private industries, not so much.

(I don't disagree w you btw, just sayin some things are likelier to make it past the court than others)

I kind of feel like the whole "would you abolish private insurance" question was a setup, but they did raise their hands so IDK. As has been pointed out, there is really no need to do so. To paraphrase Grover Norquist, you don't need to destroy it, you just shrink it to the size that you can drown it in a bathtub.

The constitutional question is an interesting one to ponder and I'd have to give it some thought. It's especially weird since insurance is one of the few national businesses that's still done and regulated on a state-by-state business, so that makes the whole "interstate commerce" question more difficult. Obviously it is possible for government to outlaw an entire line of business, for example the sale and trafficking of cocaine.

But it's pretty academic since I can't see any reason why a law banning private health insurance would be necessary.

xpost, oh my thing was in response to j listing dead people, which I may have totally misread.

exactly! It isn't necessary at all.

xp