PMs change and lol we're all gonna die (but brexit will never end)

yeah good point. given that would mean doing that in every constituency where the Brexit Party had a chance.

how many other Labour/Brexit Party contested constituencies like Peterborough are there?

Peterborough, Newcastle-under-Lyme, Keighley, Crewe and Nantwich, Canterbury and Glasgow North East (according to the express)

how would that work in practice?

Lord Farage. Richard Tice, UK Ambassador to the United States of America... und so weiter.

ein reich for *you*, and ein reich for *you* and let me see yes there's ein reich for *you at the back* ok who else

jfc

The Archbishop of Canterbury has said he could consider chairing a proposed citizens' forum on Brexit.

He was asked to take on the role by a group of senior MPs who said a forum would "consider how to heal the divisions in our country since the Brexit referendum".

He also said that he wanted the "will of the people to happen" but that his "personal inner likes or dislikes" were "irrelevant".

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-49486371

The very idea that Brexit can be fixed by more fucking "have your say"! Why is this cunt in charge of anything?

to be fair he was invited to do this (by idiots)

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2019/08/even-god-cant-save-mps-having-make-decision-brexit

and also he very much didn’t say he would consider it. he said he would consider it *if* [insert impossible demands here]. ie polite way of saying “this is bullshit and we all know it”.

the deliberate credulity and neutering of thought by reporters for advancement of the narrative is almost too embarrassing to watch these days.

“very much” was too strong there. he did say it but clearly didn’t mean it.

any reporter could have said “these demands are unlikely to be met”.

any reporter of these times wise to hedge bets tbh

Very much not here for scorning at the idea of a citizen’s assembly in that absolute shit of a piece - this was done successfully in Ireland for equal marriage and abortion. The Yes % in the latter actually matched the decision of the Assembly almost dead on to the % point and their recommendation for what the government should legislate for meant there was a huge mandate after the vote because people knew what they were voting for and turned out in numbers for it. But shure what would we know about running referendums?

That said, the citizens assembly is way too late in the game for this and if Cameron wasn’t a gigantic ham-headed prick he might have done this a couple of years in advance of the vote.

not scorning the idea of citizens assemblies in general, but the idea of doing it *now* and making it '52% leavers" and stating from the get-go that it wasn't intended to go against "the will of the people"?

I was talking about this:

The idea, if you want to dignify it by calling it an idea, is as follows: a representative jury of members of the public, overseen by Welby, would listen to evidence – and, heartwarmingly, each other! – before making a series of recommendations on Brexit.

i think the scorn there is directed at the timing, not the principle.

re: boris electioneering bullshit on teachers using "reasonable force" on children. I went to a school where nuns would throw blackboard wooden blackboard dusters at heads and punches were sometimes rained down on unruly kids heads. Loads of my contemporaries grew up to be damaged, violent people or drug addicts or in one case (my old pal Nashy) doing life in Dublin prison and on record as the Republic Of Ireland's most prolific peacetime serial killer.

xp my second comment about this exists, and also this is not an uncommon attitude in the British press

can’t fault nashy’s work ethic tho tbfttl, would he have that kind of self-starting spirit without the education

it was very considerate of the ROI to take on this burden, but please keep him banged up forever!

Maverick man of principle Rory Stewart: I won't vote to bring down the government

he's still got that walking about the streets and talking to homeless heroin addicts part of his game going, but yeah still a typical tory cunt.

Here we fuckin' go.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49493632

lol we’re all gonna die

IDS was on the bbc at 8:30 THIS MORNING saying that this wasn't going to happen.

it's nearing the point where i'm not going to trust another word he says...

The Quiet Man strikes again.

Who would have guessed that the Brexit project would end up as a coup d'etat by shady right wing forces?

So can Lizzie tell them to fuck off or is it more of a fait accompli? Pardon my ignorance of due process towards installing a dictatorship.

i think technically she could?

no fuckin chance she will tho

If she told them to fuck off, would the press scream that she was a traitor?

splitting their readers mind

Mail/Sun readers would happily lynch anyone getting in the way of their cliff-jump, including the Queen.

Still, you have to understand people's legitimate concerns

the queen only has one option here, she needs to commit suicide to preserve the politically unbiased integrity of her old constitutional monarchy business.

Perhaps if she died the period of mourning would help?

Would they menace her with stuff about her most decadent and stupid failson?

By presenting it as a ho-hum Queen’s Speech (which we are badly overdue for anyway) they make it harder for the Palace to do anything (not that it would have done anything).

So if Option A to stop this idiocy (constitutional means) is out, is it VONC time?

Don't believe the propaganda, the GBP would turn on the Saxe-Coburgs in a heartbeat.

I think that’s a grey area, isn’t it? A challenged VONC takes 14 days and they’d only have 7 before prorogation. Legislation falls on the floor when parliament prorogued so idk what happens there

Unless you're Rory Stewart, it's VONC or die

A VONC would at least create the excuse to delay a proragation I would imagine

Of course what will happen is the shady coalition of Tories and Tories in other parties and Tories currently without a party will probably still prefer No Deal + showboating to an actual election

So you think they don’t really want this but are doing it to force Remain MPs to act more strongly than “having meetings” so they can be blamed for blocking Brexit/causing election? 5D-chess sets seen entering Downing St. Xp

I think if they can bluff and bluster their way to No Deal they'd happily forgo an election until after the fact, I'm sure they consider that the preferable scenario but aren't afraid of going to the polls if by some miracle the professed anti No Deal camp gets its shit together

I think that’s right but can’t understand how they think they’ll possibly win a post-No Deal election with pigeons coming home all over the shop. “Look what the EU have done to us!” only gets you so far

You call the election before the pigeons arrive, obviously.

xp Because Blitz Spirit, because Project Fear, because the EU won't seriously take the side of Ireland over the UK once the chips are down, will they?

... Confucius says. (xp)

(IE they don't think the pigeons will come home in any significant way)

What are the odds they have the numbers for a successful VONC?

This is not awful as long as the left can organise around coordinated strike action and the likes of Corbyn can get some rallies going.