2020 Democratic presidential primary

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his son died

akm, Friday, 23 August 2019 22:20 (six years ago)

he should have run anyway; I mean I get why he didn't, but that would have been the right time.

akm, Friday, 23 August 2019 22:20 (six years ago)

the Dems seems unable to just admit that in order to build the society they desire, the majority of the middle class will have to pool money into governments plans like other nations do. What Sanders got right, I admit, is that it won't happen for as long as people see that Amazon and Apple don't pay a penny. What he gets wrong, is to think Amazon and Apple can pay all the pennies for not only this one large project, but for all large projects.

He has been completely upfront that he would raise middle class taxes to pay for M4A:
https://www.google.com/search?q=bernie+sanders+middle+class+taxes&oq=bernie+sanders+middle+class+taxes&aqs=chrome..69i57.517j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Friday, 23 August 2019 22:24 (six years ago)

His explanation was that his family wasn't prepared for the stress so soon after his son's death. But HRC moved fast and hard to tie up the establishment and big donors that Joe would have needed. Her efficiency in that regard may be measured by the fact that only Bernie chose to challenge her juggernaut - in a year without an incumbent.

A is for (Aimless), Friday, 23 August 2019 22:26 (six years ago)

What’s in there for infrastructure?

there's a lot of stuff about infrastructure, but only some of it is regarding electric grid infrastructure. quite a bit of it has to do with adaptation and resilience. however, it does say

"Build a modern smart grid. A smart grid means a resilient, secure, and intelligent electric grid system that is capable of managing high amounts of renewable energy, charging electric vehicles quickly, and maximizing efficiency. We will spend $526 billion on a modern, high-volt, underground, renewable, direct current, smart, electric transmission and distribution grid will ensure our transition to 100 percent sustainable energy is safe and smooth."

later on it, also says: "We will provide $130 billion for counties impacted by climate change with funding for water, broadband, and electric grid infrastructure investments." so apparently the $526 billion on the smart grid is not part of the $130 billion for "water, broadband, and electric infrastructure investments"

https://berniesanders.com/issues/the-green-new-deal/

Karl Malone, Friday, 23 August 2019 22:32 (six years ago)

none of these candidates is running on exclusively train-based messaging and I'm disappointed YET AGAIN

Ol' 45 got yr back

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0824/6367/products/T_SHIRT_FRONT_5970a05c-60ab-4b9a-b729-f8fb3ee26e0a_grande.png?v=1561544808

frustration and wonky passion (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 23 August 2019 22:44 (six years ago)

fascists used to be obsessed with the train running on time but now? pfft

president of deluded fruitcakes anonymous (silby), Friday, 23 August 2019 22:47 (six years ago)

Build the 7.4 million affordable housing units to close the affordable housing gap across the country and guarantee safe, decent, accessible affordable housing.

interested to know where these are going to be. if they're in low density sprawl that has the potential to undo a lot of the good stuff. are there any details?

and have we discussed the 2tn spending on subsidizing EVs (i.e. wealth transfer to rich) vs ~1tn on mass transit?

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 23 August 2019 22:50 (six years ago)

Clever new strategy

Joe Biden Asks Audience to Imagine Obama’s Assassination https://t.co/bTnSb5PZPs

— NYT Politics (@nytpolitics) August 23, 2019

Simon H., Friday, 23 August 2019 23:22 (six years ago)

jfc

mookieproof, Friday, 23 August 2019 23:32 (six years ago)

The actual quote is more doddering than offensive but I maintain that running this guy in the general would be a fucking disaster

Simon H., Friday, 23 August 2019 23:33 (six years ago)

Other candidates need to start gunning for him, for real

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Friday, 23 August 2019 23:35 (six years ago)

Ultimately, only the oil internationals presently have the capital and refining/chemical engineering expertise to do projects like algal biodiesel or direct air CO2 capture at the required scales. I'd be fine with public apologies for past disinformation campaigns, and incentives/disincentives to get them on board with a beyond petroleum future that isn't just greenwashing.

hedonic treadmill class action (Sanpaku), Friday, 23 August 2019 23:35 (six years ago)

Killing every incentive for taking fossil fuels out of the ground would be a good start, but on a practical level any swift transition away from oil/natural gas will require the participation of Big Oil. Nationalization is off the board as an option in the USA, short of open revolt in the streets. And face it, we're FAR more likely to see open revolt over trying to wean people off gasoline, than over oil company intransigence.

A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 24 August 2019 01:20 (six years ago)

biden borrowing from hillary's '08 strategy?

Vape Store (crüt), Saturday, 24 August 2019 02:06 (six years ago)

I dont know if those competence and capacity claims for such programs are true sanpaku but if bigoil can’t monetize them by raping governments around the world, they will say they cannot, right? house always wins it would be a shame if the whole amazon burned down.

Hunt3r, Saturday, 24 August 2019 03:10 (six years ago)

re Biden in '16, O told him nope it's Big Hil

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 24 August 2019 03:20 (six years ago)

I thought that was well chronicled?

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 24 August 2019 03:20 (six years ago)

some say that was her last major victory of the 2016 campaign

Karl Malone, Saturday, 24 August 2019 03:22 (six years ago)

lol we’re all gonna die

The Democratic Party's centrist caucus -- which has openly criticized the Green New Deal for being unrealistic and unaffordable --is now tweeting out proposals "for an iceberg-making submarine that could produce 82-foot-wide, 16-foot-thick chunks of ice" to combat climate change. pic.twitter.com/BEbKOiZQU3

— Waleed Shahid (@_waleedshahid) August 24, 2019

lowkey goatsed on the styx (bizarro gazzara), Saturday, 24 August 2019 20:34 (six years ago)

#SiliconValley

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 24 August 2019 20:45 (six years ago)

team of designers from indonesia. let's point and laugh at them for trying.

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Saturday, 24 August 2019 22:11 (six years ago)

Ilx prefers the old-school analog icebergs; they're so much warmer

Rumspringsteen (Ye Mad Puffin), Saturday, 24 August 2019 22:40 (six years ago)

So Bernie Sanders is speaking to @ueunion
tomorrow in Pittsburgh. Keep an eye on it: Could be his first labor endorsement of the 2020 campaign. (So far only Biden and de Blasio have gotten any official union support, and most unions are taking a long time to deliberate.) pic.twitter.com/BlbgnUR8oM

— Dave Weigel (@daveweigel) August 25, 2019

Karl Malone, Sunday, 25 August 2019 16:27 (six years ago)

no labor endorsements for warren so far, i guess? i guess as weigel says, unions are still holding back for now, but she is strongly supportive of labor and her own campaign unionized earlier this summer

Karl Malone, Sunday, 25 August 2019 16:30 (six years ago)

as I understand it she’s gotten some flak for her campaign staying at a nonunion hotel in vegas

Carisis LaVerted (m bison), Sunday, 25 August 2019 16:57 (six years ago)

i didn't think that was even possible!

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 25 August 2019 17:10 (six years ago)

I don't think technological proposals to solve this problem are stupid at all. GND yes, but you have to look into other things too, it's irresponsible not to.

akm, Sunday, 25 August 2019 19:27 (six years ago)

iceberg things looks very minecrafty

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Sunday, 25 August 2019 19:41 (six years ago)

it's just the sim quality starts to flag near the end

The Ravishing of ROFL Stein (Hadrian VIII), Sunday, 25 August 2019 19:46 (six years ago)

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61bqcIbsyGL._SL1000_.jpg

mark s, Sunday, 25 August 2019 19:51 (six years ago)

akm OTM

Vape Store (crüt), Sunday, 25 August 2019 19:59 (six years ago)

lmao

New national Monmouth poll:

Sanders: 20% (+6)
Warren: 20% (+5)
Biden: 19% (-13)!
Harris: 8% (-)
Booker: 4% (+2)
Buttigieg: 4% (-1)
Yang: 3% (+1)
Castro: 2% (+2)
O’Rourke: 2% (-1)
Williamson: 2% (+1)

— Dave Weigel (@daveweigel) August 26, 2019

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 26 August 2019 17:05 (six years ago)

Wow! For real? I’ll believe it when it’s reflected in other polls..

Vape Store (crüt), Monday, 26 August 2019 17:08 (six years ago)

yeah it's a single poll and it's a national poll (there is no national primary), and biden keeps messing up, but not "lose half your supporters mess up" recently afaict, so it's very suspect. but i'm into it.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 26 August 2019 17:10 (six years ago)

More info and data here

https://www.monmouth.edu/polling-institute/reports/monmouthpoll_US_082619/

Simon H., Monday, 26 August 2019 17:21 (six years ago)

prob the first polling where I can visualize and have a somewhat informed opinion of everyone on the list. progress!

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 26 August 2019 17:23 (six years ago)

for real tho, this should be a national discussion of warren vs sanders not biden vs ?

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 26 August 2019 17:24 (six years ago)

Has to be frustrating for Castro to poll at Marianne Williamson levels

Karl Malone, Monday, 26 August 2019 17:30 (six years ago)

Three Texans at the bottom there.

a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 26 August 2019 17:53 (six years ago)

Top two should just draw straws to figure out who drops out of the race and becomes the other's veep, imo.

McGrief the Crying Dog (Old Lunch), Monday, 26 August 2019 17:58 (six years ago)

one more caveat about this single national poll is that it is small (6 point margin of error).

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 26 August 2019 17:58 (six years ago)

there are good polls, there are bad polls

Imagine being so certain that @DavidAxelrod would lie about you on @CNN that you bring the exact receipts to an interview. #Bernie2020 https://t.co/nAFiheMUwi

— elaine layabout is a bro (@elainelayabout) August 25, 2019

quelle sprocket damage (sic), Monday, 26 August 2019 18:06 (six years ago)

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/26/us/politics/elizabeth-warren-democrats.html

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 26 August 2019 18:10 (six years ago)

Top two should just draw straws to figure out who drops out of the race and becomes the other's veep

Nobody's fucking voted

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 26 August 2019 18:11 (six years ago)

Whoa, really?
https://media2.giphy.com/media/SDogLD4FOZMM8/giphy.gif

McGrief the Crying Dog (Old Lunch), Monday, 26 August 2019 18:33 (six years ago)

you and a few thousand other dingalings are calling on candidates w/ sbout 20% to drop out, aintcha? lunacy

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 26 August 2019 18:39 (six years ago)

I'd say the putative top two joining forces might just seal the deal in our favor. And FTR, I wasn't saying they should do it literally this moment.

(My real preference is to just let the Chicago machine pick Humphrey Mk II and put this whole thing to rest. Clooney, come on down!)

McGrief the Crying Dog (Old Lunch), Monday, 26 August 2019 18:43 (six years ago)

I guess I understand this fanatasy but these aren't backbenchers, they are two serious legislators, and neither of them are going to run for veep

Anyway the party isn't going to go into this w a ticket comprised of TWO lefty New England senators. If Warren gets the nom it will probably be a younger man, if Bernie then a woman or POC—in either case somebody w/ positions slightly more palatable to moderates.

The Ravishing of ROFL Stein (Hadrian VIII), Monday, 26 August 2019 18:49 (six years ago)

Warren/Castro, Sanders/Stacy Abrams

president of deluded fruitcakes anonymous (silby), Monday, 26 August 2019 18:51 (six years ago)


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