Is there anything the Labour Party can do to win the next election?

The ballot box will wipe a lot of them out anyway - Labour could be forced into a callow shadow cabinet with the occasional big hitter.

http://www.its-prof-again.co.uk/

Is there anything in this world that *doesn't* have it's own website?

Sydney Devine.

A callow cabinet?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1545000/images/_1549964_callow150.jpg

With Mandy and Draper back beating the drum for Labour it's full steam ahead to a fourth term!

...for the Tories within the last three decades...

Yeah, but Mandelson has previous experience at the DTI and in that capacity was surprisingly well thought of, both inside and outside the department.

(At least according to my partner, who was receiving a lot of DTI assistance while starting up his biotech business at the time. There was no small amount of dismay at the policy vacuum following PM's resignation, as he was providing strong tactical leadership on "knowledge-based economy" initiatives.)

Mandy spoke well to Paxman on the Econocalypse the other night.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2008/oct/17/davidcameron-politicalnews

let's hope this economic thingy can do for brown what it has done for obama

I hate David Cameron.

So do I.

Can you vote, in the UK?

I don't think so, but maybe if I'm here a little longer. I hate most the way he's talked of as having some kind of common touch that Brown lacks, yet they never put him in any situations where he might prove this. The one time I saw him speaking to "ordinary people" was on a BBC Newsbeat video where young people asked him questions, and he seemed completely aloof and freakish next to them.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/oct/18/davidcameron-conservatives

Holy crap, who saw this coming?

Crikey, this is getting dangerously close to socialism.

We won't be getting Tom Jones or Phil Collins back then.

50 quid on Campbell in car crash/outed as paedo/polonium milkshake before 2009.

Darling, rather.

HAVE YOUR SAY

The economy will go back to the dark days of the 1970s - taxing the rich is such a stupid idea

Matt, Manchester

or "Diamond", as KSilk had him on "Jungle" yesterday.

(xpost)

We are all Joe the Plumber.

Speak for yourself pal. I'm more Joe the Pesci myself.

Not me, I'm Joe le Taxi.

And now I'm Lord the Custos.

Joe the Swash is the new Joe the Plumber.

0.5% increase in NI from 2011

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1095057/Gordon-Brown-denies-February-election-rumours-ministers-claim-recession-worst-ever.html

I still don't think they'd win, but I'd say this is the best chance they've got. However, given that Brown bottled it big time last October, it'd be pretty perverse of him to roll the dice now.

frankly they've got too much on their plate to hold an election right now. i think they'll wait for the green shoots of recovery of early 2010, should there be any.

there's a weird anti-Brown rant that's been posted up on the v large billboard spaces underneath the old railway bridge by the top of Shoreditch High St.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/doctorow/3109564177/

I love the Daily Mail pic of Tessa in prayer:

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a82/bobbysixer/tessa.jpg

"We’ve had it up to here with a government that says we can go on treating people like shit."

Labour's @BarryGardiner breaks down over the cost of living crisis @eiecampaign pic.twitter.com/YqseSSC1HE

— PoliticsJOE (@PoliticsJOE_UK) August 18, 2022

Barry Gardiner MP supports the Enough is Enough campaign.

DJ Martian otm - the prophetic power of systems thinking!

This is the man to save Labour: John McDonnell

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Bingo

Sadder answer, the plan is to do nothing and rely on winning the battle of apathy in the wasteland of 2024

it's more like "cisterns thinking" with Kieth, that's where he usually hides his flask of single malt

"I know Owen, I like Owen, I'm sorry Owen... I'm not focused on Owen, I'm focused intently on winning the next general election"@Keir_Starmer reacts to being called a "professional political conman" by @OwenJones84.@theJeremyVine | #JeremyVine pic.twitter.com/kuNA15yF1i

— Jeremy Vine On 5 (@JeremyVineOn5) August 31, 2022

"I like Owen"

An odd thing here is that KS puts OJ down by saying he was a "cheerleader" for Labour's 2019 election campaign.

KS, unlike OJ, was literally on the platform for the launch of Labour's 2019 election campaign. (I, unusually, was there!)

just found out that the owner of ex-alpaca Geronimo genuinely made a graphic for today where she called him "The Peoples Alpaca" pic.twitter.com/b7Wteunce0

— Alice Lia Maro (@slimelia) August 31, 2022

next he'll be saying he actually tried to save Geronimo

KS saved geronimo from having to watch the world fall into ghastly ruin

yeah they've probably already started eating his buddies

'We all know what it's like with teenage children and I feel very strongly about this...this argument that children can make decisions without the consent of parents is one I just don't agree with at all' https://t.co/U1y6V1PvVZ pic.twitter.com/UNGy8fQA3C

— j (@jrc1921) November 1, 2022

KS very animated here as he springs into life to make a statement. You can judge the statement for yourself.

There's something wrong with that room and the people in it

starmer at least had previously publicly said the right things on trans rights despite refusing to do anything about duffield & co. but coming out against gillick competence (does he even know he's doing that?) is extraordinarily bleak.

kier starmer take the budd dwyer challenge u coward

I spent my 20s thinking of myself as "lucky" because I was only thrown out for two days after I was outed to my parents as gay. Had it been that I was trans, I would have been lucky to even make it to homelessness because of my stepdad's bigotry. This is the kind of thing that could directly lead to the deaths of trans teenagers.

Keir Starmer has given an interview to Justine Roberts, the founder of parenting and anti trans message board Mumsnet.

Here is everything Keir Starmer said about trans topics to Mumsnet.

1/17

— What The Trans!? (WhatTheTrans.com) (@WhatTheTrans) November 1, 2022

whole lot more bullshit from him here

after all this i'm labor to be whipped to abstain when the tories make their recently announced move to gut existing legal protections for trans people

thinking of all the shitty wretched nights I spent at Boys Brigade football practice and so on, just being miserable and easily targeted by peers, at the insistence of a parent who thought the best thing for me was to suffer that in a pathetic attempt to become more masculine (spoiler: it didn't work, I'm still fabulous) - it was awful, and I didn't even have it that bad at all in comparative terms.