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they are incessant and bad and also the programme and characters have got bad too as well

― RJG (RJG), Thursday, 23 November 2006 17:11 (seventeen years ago) link

I liked this one. I'm the only person in the world who hasn't seen The Big Lebowski, so the shout-out went over my head. But it had fun Keith-Veronica interactions, and Wallace, and a nice twisty a-plot. I'm glad they finally gave the feminists some dimension, even if they're still portrayed weirdly. And Dick was hilarious. I wish they wouldn't do these "one person will DIE" promos, though.

― clotpoll (Clotpoll), Thursday, 23 November 2006 18:27 (seventeen years ago) link

don't know promo

wallace is being severely underused, veronica is different--she is too mean and jumps to too many stupid conclusions

didn't think it was funny, when they were laughing at the male rape (v said, at one point, that it wasn't funny or something but, at many points, joined in on the joking)

also...nothing is happening! meanwhile, this season story arc, that we were told would be played down or less important, trudges on, v slowly and boringly

― RJG (RJG), Thursday, 23 November 2006 19:23 (seventeen years ago) link

it's been extended to 20 episodes now.

the pacing this season has been odd (i'm chalking at least part of it up to the unsureness-of-its-future that torpedoed arrested development's third season) but shit, it's still miles and miles better than gilmore girls this season.

― maura (maura), Thursday, 23 November 2006 19:30 (seventeen years ago) link

I have never seen gilmore girls

― RJG (RJG), Thursday, 23 November 2006 19:46 (seventeen years ago) link

two months pass...

New episode tonight? Does anyone still care?

― milo z (mlp), Tuesday, 23 January 2007 20:50 (seventeen years ago) link

duh

― Haikunym (Haikunym), Tuesday, 23 January 2007 20:56 (seventeen years ago) link

i probably shouldn't, but i do. it's still better than studio 60 and i'll watch that, so...

tonight is a mac heavy episode, so that's a plus.

― cousin larry bundgee (bundgee), Tuesday, 23 January 2007 21:02 (seventeen years ago) link

this has been off for months, so long I even forgot that I watched it

― kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 23 January 2007 21:28 (seventeen years ago) link

Long hiatuses suck. All shows should follow the HBO/24 model of a straight run with no interruptions or reruns.

― milo z (mlp), Tuesday, 23 January 2007 21:30 (seventeen years ago) link

uh the sopranos has been on hiatus for like 8 months now dude!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 23 January 2007 21:38 (seventeen years ago) link

Two separate seasons, according to them. I quit watching after the gay Soprano got wacked so I don't know if they last shown episode was a legit finale.

― milo z (mlp), Tuesday, 23 January 2007 21:41 (seventeen years ago) link

actually it's all season six. part one and part two.

― cousin larry bundgee (bundgee), Tuesday, 23 January 2007 21:43 (seventeen years ago) link

TOLD

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 23 January 2007 21:45 (seventeen years ago) link

me, pwned. I thought they were calling the Sopranos and Entourage separate seasons.

― milo z (mlp), Tuesday, 23 January 2007 21:54 (seventeen years ago) link

entourage might be... it really have been two different sopranos but then they would've had to write a competent season finale.

― cousin larry bundgee (bundgee), Tuesday, 23 January 2007 22:01 (seventeen years ago) link

"really should have"

i should write a competent sentence.

― cousin larry bundgee (bundgee), Tuesday, 23 January 2007 22:03 (seventeen years ago) link

You haterz will be glad to know that March through May, our favorite plucky blond girl detective will be pre-empted by Pussycat Dolls: The Search for the Next Doll for 8 weeks.

― c(Â°Â°c) (Leee), Tuesday, 23 January 2007 22:59 (seventeen years ago) link

fuck. does that mean we'll get less than 22 episodes for the season?

― horseshoe (horseshoe), Tuesday, 23 January 2007 23:06 (seventeen years ago) link

They only gave it 20 episodes instead of 22, so apparently they're abandoning the third mystery arc and instead are just having five stand-alone episodes to finish off the season. Kind of a let-down, really.

― The Ultimate Conclusion (lokar), Tuesday, 23 January 2007 23:09 (seventeen years ago) link

kind of a bad sign. :(

― horseshoe (horseshoe), Tuesday, 23 January 2007 23:10 (seventeen years ago) link

okay, I seriously don't understand the pacing of this show. are Veronica and Logan going to break up and get back together every alternate episode?

Mac-y O!

― horseshoe (horseshoe), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 03:12 (seventeen years ago) link

This show sucks so much.

― Melissa W (Melissa W), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 03:13 (seventeen years ago) link

I've been rewatching the first season recently, getting friends hooked on the show, and yeah, there's been a massive dropoff. I keep hoping it'll be like Buffy, where I was always disappointed with the first "in college" season while it was happening, but I like it fine now. but I don't know.

I would have liked this episode better without the Veronica/Logan re-hookup, though. the mystery wasn't particularly interesting, but the writing was pretty snappy. Mac's new boy could be Adrian Grenier's little brother. Is he?

― horseshoe (horseshoe), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 03:19 (seventeen years ago) link

I finished with this show tonight.

― svend (svend), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 05:45 (seventeen years ago) link

That bad?

It's been so long since the first half of the season, I can barely remember what I disliked. Veronica/Logan crap was definitely up there.

― milo z (mlp), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 05:49 (seventeen years ago) link

the only good thing about this episode was the linda rondstadt song

― kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 16:52 (seventeen years ago) link

Mack is really good though.

― Mary (Mary), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 16:54 (seventeen years ago) link

I dunno, I thought this episode was fine.

― The Yellow Kid (The Yellow Kid), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 20:26 (seventeen years ago) link

imagine this will continue to get worse since it just continues to get worse

― RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 20:32 (seventeen years ago) link

Not true RJG - the first six episodes of the first series were terrible, then it got better!

Plus season 2 is much better than season 1. Not so much Duncan.

― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 20:36 (seventeen years ago) link

that is crazy talk! the first six episodes of season one are hardly terrible, though it's true it got better as it went along. and season 1 is better than season 2. and I mostly like season 2.

― horseshoe (horseshoe), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 20:38 (seventeen years ago) link

season one and two good to really good w/ a few pretty bad bits

season three just v v bad

― RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 20:39 (seventeen years ago) link

i think it will be like buffy season 4.

looks rubbish at first watch and for a while after, but then the revisionists will come along and it will actually be better.

― The Ultimate Conclusion (lokar), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 21:05 (seventeen years ago) link

see that's what I was hoping, but I'm beginning to think it's qualitatively worse. than Buffy season 4, I mean. I think the only way this season gets redeemed is if it starts being awesome really soon, ot it miraculously gets renewed and next season is awesome. of course, I will continue to watch whether it redeems itself or not.

― horseshoe (horseshoe), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 21:14 (seventeen years ago) link

i'll probably watch anyway. there's generally some amusing bits within each episode, even if the full thing isn't satisfying. i'm hardly disliking the time i spend watching it. and hell, for some reason unbeknownst to me, i'm still watching studio 60, which is going from bad to worse, so this is quite good in comparison.

― The Ultimate Conclusion (lokar), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 21:20 (seventeen years ago) link

I was hoping with the new mystery and all this would suddenly kick it up a gear, but this was even duller than what came before!

It's like the whole thing is in a holding pattern - nothing ever changes. Veronica and Logan are together - they break up - they're together - they angst over it - will they break up - Pizz looks hopeful - Pizz looks hurt. There's nothing tying it all together, and every episode seems like it could be the same (except for the woeful rape mystery they began with) I really don't think the writers know what to do.

There were loads of highs and lows before - you always knew a good episode wold come along, or at least something with lots of twists and mystery and intrigue... now it's just like a dull hum in the background, and a twisty story about a monkey. And, does anyone care? There's no real narrative thread and even the Cyrus murder was barely there.

This is totally dif to Buffy season 4, cos that at least had some sense of direction and change - maybe in ways people didn't like, but it was going somewhere. This show seems to be ambling slowly, ever so slowly, to a nothing conclusion - and the fact they're ending the season with five one offs seems to be indicative of that.

― Suedey (John Cei Douglas), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 23:16 (seventeen years ago) link

So, I take it that Paul Rudd does not make his appearance on this episode?

― cousin larry bundgee (bundgee), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 23:18 (seventeen years ago) link

The parts of VM are greater than the sum, possibly for the entirety of the series. The atmosphere, the dialogue, the twists, etc., are sufficient to carry the show, and dammit, last night we were this close to cheesecake Veronica.

― c(,,c) (Leee), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 23:21 (seventeen years ago) link

thought this sequence of scenes was particularly bad & annoying, in the last ep:

keith asking veronica where weevil was scene > veronica & mac's first PHAT meeting scene > keith & weevil in the dean's office scene > veronica & mac's second PHAT meeting scene > veronica arriving home to find keith standing in silence worrying about the dean's scotch scene

― RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 23:30 (seventeen years ago) link

More Wallace!

― Cressida Breem (neruokruokruokne?), Thursday, 25 January 2007 00:57 (seventeen years ago) link

yes, more Wallace, less Piz, Mac's roommate, new people in general.

― horseshoe (horseshoe), Thursday, 25 January 2007 01:02 (seventeen years ago) link

wait how can you guys want more new stuff when you want everything to be like it was in past seasons? ME CONFUSED.

― Haikunym (Haikunym), Thursday, 25 January 2007 02:35 (seventeen years ago) link

I do like Mac, but that was dull. I don't want everything to be just like before, but I wish the different stories and characters weren't quite so separated. Mac gets to interact with Veronica, Parker, and animal rights boy, and never with Wallace, Weevil, Keith, or Logan. Parker interacts with Mac, Veronica, and Piz, to the exclusion of anyone else. The Keith/O'Dell storyline seems to be happening on a different show. I wouldn't mind more Parker if she became something more than Perky Rape Victim. At this point, the Veronica/Keith scenes are the only ones that consistently seem convincing and entertaining, even when they don't lead to anything. The writers just don't have a very good handle on writing college situations. (Though Dick's first scene was classic.)

― clotpoll (Clotpoll), Thursday, 25 January 2007 03:48 (seventeen years ago) link

no, I want less new stuff. more Wallace, less of everyone new.

― horseshoe (horseshoe), Thursday, 25 January 2007 03:50 (seventeen years ago) link

okay, now i see your punctuation. i was fooled by a comma dealie.

― Haikunym (Haikunym), Thursday, 25 January 2007 04:21 (seventeen years ago) link

The way that you've got all these different groups with no connection to one another other than Veronica is quite interesting though, it seems far more like real life than when there's small group where no one has any outside friends. In terms of making the programme better, it's not really working though. I'm still sure there hasn't been an episode yet where everyone in the main credits has been onscreen.

― Cressida Breem (neruokruokruokne?), Thursday, 25 January 2007 04:37 (seventeen years ago) link

xpost

and the fact they're ending the season with five one offs seems to be indicative of that.

That isn't their fault. the network won't give them the two final episodes, at least not in enough time to properly set up the final arc I assume.

― The Ultimate Conclusion (lokar), Thursday, 25 January 2007 04:38 (seventeen years ago) link

yeah, a lot of this season seems realistic, but in ways that are bad for the show. the scattered friendships are one thing, and Veronica and Logan breaking up and getting back together every two minutes is pretty realistic, too, but kind of ridiculous to watch. I mean you could excuse the lack of a narrative arc/narrative momentum by saying it's realistic, too, but it seems more like it's shortsighted writing.

― horseshoe (horseshoe), Thursday, 25 January 2007 04:48 (seventeen years ago) link

Maybe they should give up on the college thing, and move the show 5 years into the future, when Veronica and Mac have teamed up with Clarence Weidman to violently and unethically fight crime.

― clotpoll (Clotpoll), Thursday, 25 January 2007 07:56 (seventeen years ago) link

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