PMs change and lol we're all gonna die (but brexit will never end)

when i talk about technocrats this is what i mean

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/3347/1777208-technocrat_4.jpg

Re: prisons and everything else. The next 6-9 months feels like the country will decide between two, very different, competing visions. Thank fuck the left are in a position to offer something positive.

(Contrast with somewhere like India where there is absolutely no opposition, and no ideas)

Lucas be digging:

“It’s all white women who voted remain. How can that be a government of national unity?”@CarolineLucas says all those she has invited to form an emergency all-female cabinet are in senior positions in their parties, and “all happen to be white”.https://t.co/aZyu9cbCO1 pic.twitter.com/qltAWdt7jy

— Victoria Derbyshire (@VictoriaLIVE) August 12, 2019

i am feeling a Centrist Brain Worms thread

100 new answers by tea time. do it!

we all wish Jo Swinton wasn't white

xp hopefully this wld also provoke a salty and ill-conceived Tankie Brain Worms thread

Implying this isn't already a Centrist Brain Worms thread.

xxp lol Anna Soubry & Swinson has been leader for 5 seconds...unless she’s counting her time in the coalition gov slashing employment rights as a positive?

1. study the theory behind the practice
2. clean up this thread
3. finally discover the meaning of yvette cooper

xxp we’ll have you singing the red flag by years end

caroline... nicola sturgeon... isn’t even an MP

Incidentally, I assume I'm the only person itt who has lived under actual communism.

xp

(xp) Hasn't really thought this through, has she?

we don't see the nightmare of previous established iterations of communism to be any more of an indictment of the ideal than apologists for capitalism see the suffering of billions as an indictment of theirs

Lets not have that argument & assume I didn’t mean communism

Plus I’m about to fly and I don’t want to miss a big fight when I can’t join in

I'm absolutely not arguing with pom, totalitarian states are obviously a special kind of horror that is undoubtedly worse than states that only enforce their totalitarianism thru poverty and socialisation

Plus there’s tons of Americans on this fight and I don’t want to be sitting here annoyed knowing I missed a big fight I started myself

Incidentally, I assume I'm the only person itt who has lived under actual communism.

xp

― pomenitul, Monday, 12 August 2019 bookmarkflaglink

Were you a toddler when ceausescu got done?

BrainWorms threads (Centrist, Leftist, or anything else) surely have to revolve around actual people we know, rather than abstract.

I have a colleague who thinks Jess Phillips and AOC are the same because "ballsy". And that the UK would unite around Tom Watson in a wave of remain fervour. Its a reasonasble start, but in both cases the breadth isn't going to touch whatever continues to deliver on the Conservative brainworm thread

Isn't technocracy the idea of government by experts? With one or two exceptions I'm not seeing much genuine expertise in these fantasy Cabinets.

I had a conversation yesterday about a friend of a friend, who voted 'Lexit', who had another friend who refused to talk to him after the referendum and was a gung-ho Remainer. This woman, the Remainer, went off to Finland for a while and then came back saying she now supported Brexit having read, wait for it, "The Strange Death of Europe" by Douglas Murray. I thought, wow is it that easy to flip one of these Remain fanatics? Why did they support Remain in the first place?

But they fantasise their expertise. Technocracy is really that fantasy.

Its the apppearance or illusion of, surely? "They got this", that yellow and blue poster with the woman with headscarf flexing a bicep. Notepads, pencils, conference calls, colleagues in Stuttgart, brainstorming, shirt sleeves rolled up, the task at hand. The outsourcing of thinking

Ultimately it is a love of stationery. The love of notebooks but the abscence of anything to write in them

Lol otm

Kafka as utopia

Difference between AOC and Jess Phillips, in a nutshell: I have never seen Jess Phillips offer solidarity to a female BAME politician.

BINGO

I'm sure it's a problem in a lot of places but it does feel like british political culture runs almost entirely on schadenfreude & spite, and it's created a nation of ppl totally unprepared to have to do anything beyond mockery

I want an economic system that belongs to everybody not just a hateful exploiter minority

xp the brits mainly

Were you a toddler when ceausescu got done?

A bit older than that. I have memories of the revolution and the couple of years that led to it.

*led up to it, rather.

I read your politics threads because I live close by, but I get this sense from these threads too. It’s hard for me to understand what you all actually want as opposed to what you want to mock. I am an earnest recovering American though.

I imagine we might all want different things. Apart from Maggie Maggie Maggie Out Out Out.

tbf I've got even less idea what the posters on US politics thread all want.

cheaper healthcare iirc

failing that, the unredacted muller report

/mueller idec

Come to the Canadian politics thread, a model of laser-like collective focus in that we hardly contribute to it at all.

All these white centrist politicians would hate AOC if she was from here and in the shadow cabinet.

unless ilx is full of shy tories and lib dems who are quietly tutting at the uncouth discourse the only significant fault lines here afaict are soft brexit v remain, scottish independence, and the best location for the giant pit. I think the vast majority wld be pleased to see labour win the next GE.

Who is in favour of soft Brexit?

Caught in flagrante delicto.

"It’s hard for me to understand what you all actually want"

Tories to die in death camps

my enthusiasm for the EU is ever-waning but I'd still pick EU membership over the softest brexit deal, even tho I suspect it's not viable esp over the long term

I’m pro abolition of london

wow sorry to hear you hate multiculturalism and the enlightenment

I had no idea London was a noted haunt for major Enlightenment figures.

I'm sure it's a problem in a lot of places but it does feel like british political culture runs almost entirely on schadenfreude & spite, and it's created a nation of ppl totally unprepared to have to do anything beyond mockery

There is a lot of truth in this but i guess you have to balance it against Labour being the largest political party in Europe, the excellent get-out-the-vote mobilisation at the last election, the boom in grass-roots campaign volunteering, etc. Between election cycles, the ability to effect change through participation in politics seems incredibly remote and hopeless, though.

Just attend a local ward meeting for proof of that :/