Xp I mean obviously hats a flip word to use but I think most would agree that an overview of his life & work would revea some glaring flaws in his decisionmaking skills
― “Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), Sunday, 11 August 2019 13:16 (five years ago) link
I guess but only if you share his moral code, like he was entirely right that ppl would be down with his plan
― The Ravishing of ROFL Stein (Hadrian VIII), Sunday, 11 August 2019 13:21 (five years ago) link
starting an impregnation ranch is less bonkers when seen as an elaborate cover for sex island, getting a sort of free pass as an eccentric or horny Dr. Moreau
― The Ravishing of ROFL Stein (Hadrian VIII), Sunday, 11 August 2019 13:24 (five years ago) link
we've all had to stan for embarrassing cover story fantasies when trying to get pet projects approved tbf
― phil neville jacket (darraghmac), Sunday, 11 August 2019 13:26 (five years ago) link
Boris Johnson to thread
― The Ravishing of ROFL Stein (Hadrian VIII), Sunday, 11 August 2019 13:31 (five years ago) link
omg, insane Twitter liberals actually *are* theorizing Putin did it. And Perrin just thought he was joking.― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius)
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius)
this is no more insane than thinking the Clintons ordered it
― Vape Store (crüt), Sunday, 11 August 2019 13:33 (five years ago) link
possibly so
no one has to "order it."
it's What Needs to Be Done.
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 11 August 2019 13:44 (five years ago) link
Epstein had plenty of agency himself to decide to take his own life to protect his rich buddies.
― Vape Store (crüt), Sunday, 11 August 2019 13:46 (five years ago) link
Anyway, this is all American stuff, who cares about the Clintons, Prince Andrew being outed as a paedo will suit me fine.― Euripedes' Trousers (Tom D.), Sunday, August 11, 2019 1:05 PM (forty-four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
― Euripedes' Trousers (Tom D.), Sunday, August 11, 2019 1:05 PM (forty-four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
Prince Andrew's a WHAT?!Thought he was just a gun-runner, or was that Mark Thatcher?
― crumhorn invasion (Matt #2), Sunday, 11 August 2019 13:51 (five years ago) link
wd his loyalty extend that far? xp
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 11 August 2019 13:51 (five years ago) link
well he had plenty of other reasons to kill himself, such as "no future" and "complete and utter humiliation"
― Vape Store (crüt), Sunday, 11 August 2019 13:53 (five years ago) link
I didn't realize we were doing specifics! I'd like to restate in that case. I think is likely he was murdered but I have no idea who by
― anvil, Sunday, 11 August 2019 13:54 (five years ago) link
Somehow both my mom and my brother are pretty sure it was auto-erotic asphyxiation from sex addiction.
― ... (Eazy), Sunday, 11 August 2019 15:25 (five years ago) link
effrey Epstein, the financier who hanged himself in a federal jail in Manhattan, was supposed to have been checked by guards every 30 minutes, but that procedure was not being followed the night before he was found, a law-enforcement official with knowledge of his detention said.In addition, the jail had transferred his cellmate and allowed Mr. Epstein to be housed alone in a cell just two weeks after he had been taken off suicide watch, a decision that also violated the jail’s normal procedure, two officials said.
In addition, the jail had transferred his cellmate and allowed Mr. Epstein to be housed alone in a cell just two weeks after he had been taken off suicide watch, a decision that also violated the jail’s normal procedure, two officials said.
― Karl Malone, Sunday, 11 August 2019 15:29 (five years ago) link
I really don’t get the impulse to pooh-pooh people for having conspiracy theories about this when the person in question here was being prosecuted for participating in A MASSIVE CONSPIRACY Epstein may or may not have been whacked but how can you blame people for thinking he was? If you want this downplayed because you think it will give ammunition to the right, well, whose fault is that? The Clintons willingly chose to associate (extensively) with this guy. A staggering amount of famous liberals did, even AFTER he had been charged the first time. People believe in conspiracy theories about the wealthy and powerful being depraved monsters who can get away with anything because they are constantly being given good reason to believe it. And if you dismiss their concerns about it, they’ll happily fall under the sway of something like Qanon
― flappy bird, Sunday, 11 August 2019 15:35 (five years ago) link
it's wild that AG Barr gets to chime in on this case without a hundred people screaming at him abt his family ties
― Simon H., Sunday, 11 August 2019 15:56 (five years ago) link
I just think people who say Epstein was murdered are talking out their asses and I feel it’s my duty to call them out on it if not shame them for it. What’s the big deal
― Vape Store (crüt), Sunday, 11 August 2019 16:05 (five years ago) link
gotta bring a sledgehammer to that echo chamber that amplifies any half-baked titillating suspicion that pops into people’s heads
― Vape Store (crüt), Sunday, 11 August 2019 16:07 (five years ago) link
I have the distinct impression that the reflexive "he killed himself obv" people are the ones who know less, not more, about the case
― Simon H., Sunday, 11 August 2019 16:10 (five years ago) link
frankly whether he killed himself or he was offed is not very interesting to me because if it's the latter it's not like that is going to get cracked and solved. I"m more interested in seeing where this investigation into Maxwell and his other employees goes.
― akm, Sunday, 11 August 2019 16:13 (five years ago) link
Simon if you know some details I don’t that indicate he was murdered feel free to share them!
― Vape Store (crüt), Sunday, 11 August 2019 16:35 (five years ago) link
Just read the Miami herald story
― flappy bird, Sunday, 11 August 2019 16:39 (five years ago) link
And if you dismiss their concerns about it, they’ll happily fall under the sway of something like Qanon
really?
― american bradass (BradNelson), Sunday, 11 August 2019 16:40 (five years ago) link
this I assume is the specific Miami Herald piece fb is thinking of
Facing a 53-page federal indictment, Epstein could have ended up in federal prison for the rest of his life.But on the morning of the breakfast meeting, a deal was struck — an extraordinary plea agreement that would conceal the full extent of Epstein’s crimes and the number of people involved.Not only would Epstein serve just 13 months in the county jail, but the deal — called a non-prosecution agreement — essentially shut down an ongoing FBI probe into whether there were more victims and other powerful people who took part in Epstein’s sex crimes, according to a Miami Herald examination of thousands of emails, court documents and FBI records.The pact required Epstein to plead guilty to two prostitution charges in state court. Epstein and four of his accomplices named in the agreement received immunity from all federal criminal charges. But even more unusual, the deal included wording that granted immunity to “any potential co-conspirators’’ who were also involved in Epstein’s crimes. These accomplices or participants were not identified in the agreement, leaving it open to interpretation whether it possibly referred to other influential people who were having sex with underage girls at Epstein’s various homes or on his plane.As part of the arrangement, Acosta agreed, despite a federal law to the contrary, that the deal would be kept from the victims. As a result, the non-prosecution agreement was sealed until after it was approved by the judge, thereby averting any chance that the girls — or anyone else — might show up in court and try to derail it.
But on the morning of the breakfast meeting, a deal was struck — an extraordinary plea agreement that would conceal the full extent of Epstein’s crimes and the number of people involved.
Not only would Epstein serve just 13 months in the county jail, but the deal — called a non-prosecution agreement — essentially shut down an ongoing FBI probe into whether there were more victims and other powerful people who took part in Epstein’s sex crimes, according to a Miami Herald examination of thousands of emails, court documents and FBI records.
The pact required Epstein to plead guilty to two prostitution charges in state court. Epstein and four of his accomplices named in the agreement received immunity from all federal criminal charges. But even more unusual, the deal included wording that granted immunity to “any potential co-conspirators’’ who were also involved in Epstein’s crimes. These accomplices or participants were not identified in the agreement, leaving it open to interpretation whether it possibly referred to other influential people who were having sex with underage girls at Epstein’s various homes or on his plane.
As part of the arrangement, Acosta agreed, despite a federal law to the contrary, that the deal would be kept from the victims. As a result, the non-prosecution agreement was sealed until after it was approved by the judge, thereby averting any chance that the girls — or anyone else — might show up in court and try to derail it.
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/article220097825.html
― Simon H., Sunday, 11 August 2019 16:49 (five years ago) link
tho tbh revisiting this piece now it seems like a "tip of the iceberg" type deal, no mention of Mossad, Donald Barr, his mysterious/possibly nonexistent "hedge fund" etc
― Simon H., Sunday, 11 August 2019 17:02 (five years ago) link
A friend has the best reasoning why it wasn't suicide- "He was a rich white man and thus he had staff and didn’t lift a finger unless it was to penetrate a 14 year old’s vagina." She gets kicked off of fb a lot.
― Yerac, Sunday, 11 August 2019 17:12 (five years ago) link
Are there any theories abt why the all-powerful global bilderberg elite decided not to slip him one of the many discreet, barely-detectable drugs known to be used by spy agencies around the world which can induce heart attack & suffocation virtually indistinguishable from a 'natural' death? As opposed to a faked suicide by hanging, which would obviously involve strong ppl, violence, forcible restraint, cajoling the silence of who knows how many guards & inmates, etc?
― “Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), Sunday, 11 August 2019 17:16 (five years ago) link
He probably wasn't murdered per se, but I don't think it's at all inconcievable that a certain amount of coercion and blind eye turning was involved.
― chap, Sunday, 11 August 2019 17:22 (five years ago) link
there's a pretty blinkered anti-conspiracy strain of thought that resembles Richard Dawkins' dogmatic brand of atheism...more abt intellectual arrogance than anything else
― The Ravishing of ROFL Stein (Hadrian VIII), Sunday, August 11, 2019 12:33 PM (four hours ago)
yeah, this is otm
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Sunday, 11 August 2019 17:28 (five years ago) link
again, the extremely detailed & informative twitter thread posted by soref explains so much & really seems like the last word on this, I cant believe this thread has outlasted that post
― “Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), Sunday, 11 August 2019 17:32 (five years ago) link
― flappy bird, Sunday, 11 August 2019 17:33 (five years ago) link
― american bradass (BradNelson), Sunday, August 11, 2019 4:40 PM (fifty-four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
Yes, really. It’s no secret that a lot of people get sucked into the right through conspiracy theories. And yes, most of these theories are patently absurd, but many of them are seductive because they have some sort of connection to reality, no matter how skewed. Look at how long conspiracy theorists have dined out on Cointelpro and MK Ultra (both historically real and destructive secret programs), for example. And fuck, we just learned a few years ago that the NSA spies on everybody. Why would you trust anyone who tells you there’s nothing to worry about?
So when something like the Epstein case comes along that involves so many nodes of real-world power, and the man at the center of it turns up dead...welp.
Epstein’s death is inherently charged by the very nature of the crimes he was accused of and the circles he operated in. It does not mean he was murdered but scoffing at people who think it’s a little fishy seems to me a misguided and frankly rather patronizing impulse.
― Conceptualize Wyverns (latebloomer), Sunday, 11 August 2019 17:37 (five years ago) link
Prince Andrew and his mother being chauffeured to church this morning. pic.twitter.com/GshGJbEPBx— Garbage 🦍 (@GarbageApe) August 11, 2019
― quelle sprocket damage (sic), Sunday, 11 August 2019 17:48 (five years ago) link
lock thread
― Criss Angel Raw: The Mindfreak Unplugged (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 11 August 2019 17:49 (five years ago) link
LOL
― Conceptualize Wyverns (latebloomer), Sunday, 11 August 2019 17:51 (five years ago) link
which one is Andrew
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 11 August 2019 17:52 (five years ago) link
Come on now, who among us hasnt ever been that excited for a nice long day of church tbh
― “Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), Sunday, 11 August 2019 17:56 (five years ago) link
Basically anyone running with some Infowars type theory here, without any evidence, has lost all credibility to me. not that u care but fuk u anyway
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Sunday, 11 August 2019 18:00 (five years ago) link
conspiracy theories are funny and I understand why people get seduced by them. However I don’t have any respect for people who are seduced by them and I fail to see why I should make the effort to invent respect for them.
― Vape Store (crüt), Sunday, 11 August 2019 18:00 (five years ago) link
If you wanna compare me to Richard Dawkins then LOL u mad
― Vape Store (crüt), Sunday, 11 August 2019 18:01 (five years ago) link
It does not mean he was murdered but scoffing at people who think it’s a little fishy seems to me a misguided and frankly rather patronizing impulse.
― Conceptualize Wyverns (latebloomer), Sunday, August 11, 2019 10:37 AM (twenty-two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
*i* think it's a little fishy! awfully convenient! i still don't understand how my scoffing is gonna make people think q is real
― american bradass (BradNelson), Sunday, 11 August 2019 18:01 (five years ago) link
we need to let people believe shit that is 90% insane or else they’ll start believing shit that is 100% insane
― Vape Store (crüt), Sunday, 11 August 2019 18:03 (five years ago) link
Awaiting the Ghislaine extradition order/search warrants.
Curious whether there are any binational compacts between the US and UK that would get UK law enforcement involved.
― hedonic treadmill class action (Sanpaku), Sunday, 11 August 2019 18:03 (five years ago) link
astrology > conspiracy theories
― american bradass (BradNelson), Sunday, 11 August 2019 18:04 (five years ago) link
maybe put "fascination with true crime" in between astrology and conspiracy theories there, imo my generation sucks
― american bradass (BradNelson), Sunday, 11 August 2019 18:05 (five years ago) link
h8 true crime
― Vape Store (crüt), Sunday, 11 August 2019 18:06 (five years ago) link
can't believe there are so many idiots who think there's something suspicious about the convenient death of a guy who had dirt on a lot of powerful ppl, that's like thinking that the US would go to war using fake evidence or something
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Sunday, 11 August 2019 18:08 (five years ago) link
― Vape Store (crüt), Sunday, 11 August 2019 18:03 (one minute ago) link
Well, you’re framing it in terms of “let” which is the fucking problem in a nutshell.
― Conceptualize Wyverns (latebloomer), Sunday, 11 August 2019 18:09 (five years ago) link
peeps be thinkin life is a Jason Bourne movie
― calstars, Sunday, 11 August 2019 18:11 (five years ago) link
― Conceptualize Wyverns (latebloomer), Sunday, August 11, 2019 11:09 AM (fifteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
... are people who believe in conspiracy theories really this persecuted
― american bradass (BradNelson), Sunday, 11 August 2019 18:25 (five years ago) link