the jeffrey epstein memorial poll and conspiracy-mongering thread

I guess he's....not surprised

He also retweeted a post about Clinton's trips to the island.

I said this on the main politics thread, but his frothing desire to see the Clintons get theirs by any means possible, even if it means spotlighting a case he's been named in repeatedly, really highlights just how special his brain is

went with "(other)" because i feel like automatic "no way, no conspiracy, nothing to see here folks, move on pls!" talk is just as irresponsible, in its way, as "CLINTON BODY COUNT STRIKES AGAIN" shit.

i think epstein committed suicide and the fact that he wasn't being adequately monitored was due to gross negligence and not conspiracy

^^^^

if it were just about anyone else I'd definitely agree with you

either killed or "other"

I'm somewhere between 'gross negligence' and 'allowed/encouraged' to do it '

Died of SUICIDE on 24/7 SUICIDE WATCH ?

I notice posts that repeatedly say Epstein was on suicide watch and others that repeatedly say he was taken off suicide watch. That covers all the bases, I guess.

Negligence or guards just not giving a fuck. As I said on the other thread, some of the most infamous murderers in UK history, who you would expect would be watched extra carefully, have hung themselves in their cells.

I notice posts that repeatedly say Epstein was on suicide watch and others that repeatedly say he was taken off suicide watch. That covers all the bases, I guess.

the latter is the case apparently, why he was taken off is an open question

Yeah - he was on suicide watch w/accompanying psychiatric interviews & whatnot for a while, they decided he wasn’t suicidal, and six days later he killed himself. Ppl framing it like “they conveniently gave him the means to kill himself” like he’s Frank Pentangeli from The Godfather I guess can’t conceive of a committed suicidal person biding their time, keeping up appearances, and not raising any red flags until they’re sure they can get away with it.

It’s an “open question” only as much as you believe that mental health diagnosis and treatment in our nations esteemed prison system is foolproof, which if you do, that must be a nice way to live.

I...do not think that. I just think the particular circumstances (both how high-profile the case is and how suicide-proofed the facility is meant to be, still waiting for a contradictory take on the MCC) are sus

"Don't worry about anything, Jeffrey Epstein."
"Thanks, Alan--thanks."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U89DzP8NGM4

conspiracy doesn't apply here

it's thunderingly obvious what essentially happened

Hillary used her ninja training to sneak into his cell and defeat him?

i'm sure at a minimum JE was advised that "a Whitey Bulger" awaited him

Whitey Bulger lasted a lot longer.

u guys do recall that Trump and the Clintons were pals for a couple decades, right?

Welp

assuming that d’angelo barksdale clip will get some mileage

Died of SUICIDE on 24/7 SUICIDE WATCH ?

I notice posts that repeatedly say Epstein was on suicide watch and others that repeatedly say he was taken off suicide watch. That covers all the bases, I guess.

yeah, it's hard to watch. hasn't it been confirmed that he was recently taken off of suicide watch? i for one cannot believe trump wouldn't factcheck the people he retweets

lol

have you seen photos of the body? it’s obviously not him. my guess is, epstein’s on a private plane to somewhere in the middle east getting prepped for plastic surgery right now #EpsteinBodyDouble

— Foster The People (@fosterthepeople) August 11, 2019

Pumped Up Epps

who killed j epstein?

http://powet.tv/powetblog/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/robert_hegyes_as_juan_epstein_in_welcome_back_kotter.jpg

I knew this storyline felt like a retread

Remember when the Panama Papers revealed global level finance crimes and the only thing that happened was that the journalist who released them got killed?

— Joe Biden retire, bitch (@YourFriendCrud) August 10, 2019

who even remembers at this point that the paradise papers followed that, to even less impact

this twitter thread seemed pretty enlightening re: suicide watch, and what that means in practice

Incoming thread.

Content warning: discussion of suicidal ideation and suicide watch protocol.

Today is an emotionally tough day. Bowing out is fine. Being furious is 100% reasonable.

Warning.

— CZEdwards (@CZEdwards) August 10, 2019

excellent read soref thks

Indeed, thanks soref.

I'm not fully up on the details, but I don't see how Epstein even countenances suicide BEFORE a trial. He'd have a reasonable expectation he could beat the case surely. After a conviction, well. thats a different story

People being murdered in prison is hardly an unusual occurrence

No one ever thought this guy was going to make trial

He'd have a reasonable expectation he could beat the case surely.

I'm sure he had a reasonable expectation he was going to get bail, when he didn't get it maybe the sky finally fell in. Tbh I don't want to spend another minute thinking about his POS and am dissappointed at myself for commenting itt.

u guys do recall that Trump and the Clintons were pals for a couple decades, right?

Hillary didn't lose the "election"; she lost the coin toss backstage, overseen by the lizard people who secretly guide all world events. Then she just had to "make it look good" and vanish off the public stage once her role in the Grand Design was complete. Do I have that right, Morbs?

People being murdered in prison is hardly an unusual occurrence

Don't have stats to hand but people killing themselves in prison is far less unusual.

I really don’t get the impulse to pooh-pooh people for having conspiracy theories about this when the person in question here was being prosecuted for participating in A MASSIVE CONSPIRACY

Epstein may or may not have been whacked but how can you blame people for thinking he was?

If you want this downplayed because you think it will give ammunition to the right, well, whose fault is that? The Clintons willingly chose to associate (extensively) with this guy. A staggering amount of famous liberals did, even AFTER he had been charged the first time.

People believe in conspiracy theories about the wealthy and powerful being depraved monsters who can get away with anything because they are constantly being given good reason to believe it.

And if you dismiss their concerns about it, they’ll happily fall under the sway of something like Qanon

Don't have stats to hand but people killing themselves in prison is far less unusual.

Right, exactly! I don't think anyone here is going to dispute that people die regularly in prison, both by their own hand and by the hands of others. It is far from outlandish to suggest the people are murdered in prison, and that certain people are potentially more at risk of this happening to them.

After trial, I'd take a sucide explanation all day long. Before? I can't see it

there's a pretty blinkered anti-conspiracy strain of thought that resembles Richard Dawkins' dogmatic brand of atheism...more abt intellectual arrogance than anything else

one thing for sure about this guy, he killed himself or he didn't

I mean either way there are enough complexities (psychological or conspiratorial) to make me wonder how some rando on twitter (or ILX) can be all "NO!" about it

OTM

The 3rd option that I've seen people claim is that the body isn't estrone st all. Photos show the substitute is clearly different to the living Epstein so he's been spirited away somewhere comfortable.
Which really is a conspiracy theory.
Like.
But is one I've seen circulating.

one thing for sure about this guy, he killed himself or he didn't

(xp) It might be intellectually arrogant of me to comment, so I'll pass on that one.

xp tool + rube

^using it

another victory for fat-thumbed typing

Anyway, this is all American stuff, who cares about the Clintons, Prince Andrew being outed as a paedo will suit me fine.

honestly I think Clintons are behind my sciatica

could be some royals too though

I'm not fully up on the details, but I don't see how Epstein even countenances suicide BEFORE a trial. He'd have a reasonable expectation he could beat the case surely.

Again, I don’t really track why people are so quick to attribute any level of rational thinking to the insane pedophile sex slaver who built an impregnation ranch

i thought she gave a great speech

very persuasive and informative, and i agree with lagoon that the hard work on the window blind timing paid off

i am surprised this story never surfaced before: epstein associate and friend of trump seems to persuade ice to deport his ex, separating her from her child.

his ex who was known to have flown on the plane when she was 16.

this paolo zampolli fellow traveld with jd vance to hungary this week apparently. insane.

story has been circulating for a lil while fwiw

the more i think i am incredibly online, the more i learn about how much *more* online i could be!

what you gotta do is use the computer and the phone at the same time and also listen to a podcast

Total Information Awareness

thats right just like the government you can actually become your own government

I saw this story first just in connection to the Trump crony/ICE angle, but without the Epstein/Melania piece.

we need to start believing melanias

didn't know that Zampolli had flown to Hungary, that is insane. it's publicly known he used ICE to deport the mother of his child during a custody battle and yet they let him tag along. mindboggling, but that's where we are

is he Trump’s minder of JD?

I do genuinely feel like I’m going insane that this whole administration was basically Epstein’s greatest coup

he is a "special envoy for global partnerships" xp

Good read here on Ungaro (and the shocking treatment detainees in ICE custody are subject to)

https://substack.com/home/post/p-185682237

xp that sounds like the NYT describing a sex trafficker

so what happened with this Ungaro interview in Spain?

oh here it is : https://english.elpais.com/usa/2026-04-12/amanda-ungaro-from-sharing-soirees-with-the-trumps-to-being-deported-by-ice.html

not much in there about Epstein actually

supposedly the magazine didn't run a lot of what she told them

hmm

ICED OUT. pic.twitter.com/w6vwT0V4eU

— The White House (@WhiteHouse) May 15, 2026

this is the stupidest and most cruel of all timelines, surely

I don't even understand this

The white house is meme-ifying a Drake album cover? Is that what’s happening?

of course they pick the guy that got dragged for having relations with underaged girls, very on brand

and a Canadian to boot

This is fairly interesting: https://www.ms.now/news/set-to-appear-before-congress-an-epstein-potential-co-conspirator-says-she-too-was-a-victim

I cannot get over this diary and specifically page 16 where the author, allegedly a child with disabilities who was abused by leon black and jeffrey epstein, obliquely references that donald trump took her "dignity": https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2012/EFTA02731433.pdf

She wrote it in code and doesn't go into detail. And the diary seemingly was put together in the early 2000s. It is mind boggling to me that there was no closure on this issue.