the jeffrey epstein memorial poll and conspiracy-mongering thread

If he’d been allowed to live, he might have revealed that Bill Clinton may have committed sexual misconduct, which would have been truly damaging to the Clinton legacy.

Anyway, I voted for 'other': he's safe and sound, tucked away in a paradisiacal underground mansion, at a stone's throw from the earth's molten core.

No 12 ft lizard option - no credibility

Do I legitimately think he was whacked? Not really, I feel like people powerful enough to kill someone in federal custody could have made it look like a stroke or heart attack or something.

Do I think he definitely could have been whacked? Absolutely. Is it worth playing with to further highlight that he was bros with 50% of the last 4 Presidents and a ton of rich assholes. Also absolutely.

If he’d been allowed to live, he might have revealed that Bill Clinton may have committed sexual misconduct, which would have been truly damaging to the Clinton legacy.

I'm not one of those The Clintons Did It ppl but I hope we can all understand that what's alleged to have taken place on Epstein's place and elsewhere goes well beyond what Bill's been previously accused of

I think it's likely there was some intervention in his death.

Not only Clinton would've potentially been implicated in child trafficking,sex slavery and rape but also Dershowitz,Ehud Barak, Prince Andrew, and various influential figures in finance,business etc.

You know those murder mysteries where, as you read the first 40 pages, you discover that the corpse was at first thought to have committed suicide, but the circumstances arouse the suspicion of the canny detective (who is the hero of the book) and, upon investigation, the hero quickly finds at least a dozen people who had strong motives to murder the victim and all of them express open delight or relief in the victim's death? Yeah, this is kinda like that, am I right?

Epstein and Pac, jammin’ in Samoa.

one for the "grain of salt" files

https://nypost.com/2019/08/10/former-mcc-inmate-theres-no-way-jeffrey-epstein-killed-himself/

^ Premise of that article is that Epstein would not have been able to hang himself, stab himself, or bludgeon himself in that unit. It says nothing about, oh, let's say an overdose of fentanyl obtained from a guard for a small cash consideration.

Voted "other" — dude absolutely faked his suicide and was whisked to freedom.

Lol dudez

He hanged himself xp

as a supporter of the ‘what if his head just... did that’ explanation of jfk’s death, i believe we should give serious credence to the thought that epstein’s neck just... did that

People have spontaneous neck implosions every year, they’re just not widely reported

Of course...

Died of SUICIDE on 24/7 SUICIDE WATCH ? Yeah right! How does that happen#JefferyEpstein had information on Bill Clinton & now he’s dead

I see #TrumpBodyCount trending but we know who did this!

RT if you’re not Surprised#EpsteinSuicide #ClintonBodyCount #ClintonCrimeFamily pic.twitter.com/Y9tGAWaAxX

— Terrence K. Williams (@w_terrence) August 10, 2019

^^Retweeted by Yam.

I guess he's....not surprised

He also retweeted a post about Clinton's trips to the island.

I said this on the main politics thread, but his frothing desire to see the Clintons get theirs by any means possible, even if it means spotlighting a case he's been named in repeatedly, really highlights just how special his brain is

went with "(other)" because i feel like automatic "no way, no conspiracy, nothing to see here folks, move on pls!" talk is just as irresponsible, in its way, as "CLINTON BODY COUNT STRIKES AGAIN" shit.

i think epstein committed suicide and the fact that he wasn't being adequately monitored was due to gross negligence and not conspiracy

^^^^

if it were just about anyone else I'd definitely agree with you

either killed or "other"

I'm somewhere between 'gross negligence' and 'allowed/encouraged' to do it '

Died of SUICIDE on 24/7 SUICIDE WATCH ?

I notice posts that repeatedly say Epstein was on suicide watch and others that repeatedly say he was taken off suicide watch. That covers all the bases, I guess.

Negligence or guards just not giving a fuck. As I said on the other thread, some of the most infamous murderers in UK history, who you would expect would be watched extra carefully, have hung themselves in their cells.

I notice posts that repeatedly say Epstein was on suicide watch and others that repeatedly say he was taken off suicide watch. That covers all the bases, I guess.

the latter is the case apparently, why he was taken off is an open question

Yeah - he was on suicide watch w/accompanying psychiatric interviews & whatnot for a while, they decided he wasn’t suicidal, and six days later he killed himself. Ppl framing it like “they conveniently gave him the means to kill himself” like he’s Frank Pentangeli from The Godfather I guess can’t conceive of a committed suicidal person biding their time, keeping up appearances, and not raising any red flags until they’re sure they can get away with it.

It’s an “open question” only as much as you believe that mental health diagnosis and treatment in our nations esteemed prison system is foolproof, which if you do, that must be a nice way to live.

I...do not think that. I just think the particular circumstances (both how high-profile the case is and how suicide-proofed the facility is meant to be, still waiting for a contradictory take on the MCC) are sus

"Don't worry about anything, Jeffrey Epstein."
"Thanks, Alan--thanks."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U89DzP8NGM4

conspiracy doesn't apply here

it's thunderingly obvious what essentially happened

Hillary used her ninja training to sneak into his cell and defeat him?

i'm sure at a minimum JE was advised that "a Whitey Bulger" awaited him

Whitey Bulger lasted a lot longer.

u guys do recall that Trump and the Clintons were pals for a couple decades, right?

Welp

assuming that d’angelo barksdale clip will get some mileage

Died of SUICIDE on 24/7 SUICIDE WATCH ?

I notice posts that repeatedly say Epstein was on suicide watch and others that repeatedly say he was taken off suicide watch. That covers all the bases, I guess.

yeah, it's hard to watch. hasn't it been confirmed that he was recently taken off of suicide watch? i for one cannot believe trump wouldn't factcheck the people he retweets

lol

have you seen photos of the body? it’s obviously not him. my guess is, epstein’s on a private plane to somewhere in the middle east getting prepped for plastic surgery right now #EpsteinBodyDouble

— Foster The People (@fosterthepeople) August 11, 2019

Pumped Up Epps

who killed j epstein?

http://powet.tv/powetblog/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/robert_hegyes_as_juan_epstein_in_welcome_back_kotter.jpg

I knew this storyline felt like a retread

Remember when the Panama Papers revealed global level finance crimes and the only thing that happened was that the journalist who released them got killed?

— Joe Biden retire, bitch (@YourFriendCrud) August 10, 2019

who even remembers at this point that the paradise papers followed that, to even less impact

this twitter thread seemed pretty enlightening re: suicide watch, and what that means in practice

Incoming thread.

Content warning: discussion of suicidal ideation and suicide watch protocol.

Today is an emotionally tough day. Bowing out is fine. Being furious is 100% reasonable.

Warning.

— CZEdwards (@CZEdwards) August 10, 2019

excellent read soref thks

Indeed, thanks soref.

I'm not fully up on the details, but I don't see how Epstein even countenances suicide BEFORE a trial. He'd have a reasonable expectation he could beat the case surely. After a conviction, well. thats a different story

People being murdered in prison is hardly an unusual occurrence

No one ever thought this guy was going to make trial

i don't like emptywheel either but yes amanda ungaro apparently has been going off on X

how tf is melania so clued in to social media?

i also have no idea who those two people are

well Melania knows who they are apparently

My understanding is that Amanda Ungaro was a friend of Melania's who had previously been trafficked by Epstein. She was in a relationship with Paolo Zampolli, and they both had positions within the Trump admin. When their relationship fell apart, Zampolli ratted her out to ICE, she was imprisoned for 3 months, then deported to Brazil, where she has been making lots of online threats directed toward Melania to spill the beans about Epstein and their connection.

Supposedly Trump intervened on Zampolli's behalf to get her deported too.

cool thx for tip doing my own research now

heres empty wheel bluesky thread https://bsky.app/profile/emptywheel.bsky.social/post/3mj5e4l3lmc2f

I think Trump World is so keyed in to online discourse that no one else is aware of that it is totally in character for someone on or near her team to say, oh shit, (insert stupid obscure lunatic social media person or site) is talking about Melania, we better put out a statement! Meanwhile, 99.9% of everyone else is thinking about food or gas prices, or what's on TV, or anything but Melania.

another https://bsky.app/profile/emptywheel.bsky.social/post/3mj3whi3jk22q

Thanks for the explanation. I don’t read X or bsky and didn’t feel like starting now.

i searched bluesky and twitter and didnt find anything so i think its a pretty niche theory at this point fwiw

https://bsky.app/profile/rolodexpropaganda.bsky.social/post/3mj3wry26zk2s

if if this is the reason something must have spooked her into doing the press conference now maybe some big outlet is putting the story together

I prefer Melanie B

xp apparently an interview with Ungaro is airing on Spain's El Pais this weekend

i imagine some factchecker calls came in to verify certain facts/timelines and requests for comments resulting in that panic/duress ad hoc presser.

Thinking about becoming a born again christian so I can believe in hell so I can feel even better about these people dying.

i thought she gave a great speech

very persuasive and informative, and i agree with lagoon that the hard work on the window blind timing paid off

i am surprised this story never surfaced before: epstein associate and friend of trump seems to persuade ice to deport his ex, separating her from her child.

his ex who was known to have flown on the plane when she was 16.

this paolo zampolli fellow traveld with jd vance to hungary this week apparently. insane.

story has been circulating for a lil while fwiw

the more i think i am incredibly online, the more i learn about how much *more* online i could be!

what you gotta do is use the computer and the phone at the same time and also listen to a podcast

Total Information Awareness

thats right just like the government you can actually become your own government

I saw this story first just in connection to the Trump crony/ICE angle, but without the Epstein/Melania piece.

we need to start believing melanias

didn't know that Zampolli had flown to Hungary, that is insane. it's publicly known he used ICE to deport the mother of his child during a custody battle and yet they let him tag along. mindboggling, but that's where we are

is he Trump’s minder of JD?

I do genuinely feel like I’m going insane that this whole administration was basically Epstein’s greatest coup

he is a "special envoy for global partnerships" xp

Good read here on Ungaro (and the shocking treatment detainees in ICE custody are subject to)

https://substack.com/home/post/p-185682237

xp that sounds like the NYT describing a sex trafficker

so what happened with this Ungaro interview in Spain?

oh here it is : https://english.elpais.com/usa/2026-04-12/amanda-ungaro-from-sharing-soirees-with-the-trumps-to-being-deported-by-ice.html

not much in there about Epstein actually

supposedly the magazine didn't run a lot of what she told them

hmm

ICED OUT. pic.twitter.com/w6vwT0V4eU

— The White House (@WhiteHouse) May 15, 2026

this is the stupidest and most cruel of all timelines, surely

I don't even understand this

The white house is meme-ifying a Drake album cover? Is that what’s happening?

of course they pick the guy that got dragged for having relations with underaged girls, very on brand

and a Canadian to boot

This is fairly interesting: https://www.ms.now/news/set-to-appear-before-congress-an-epstein-potential-co-conspirator-says-she-too-was-a-victim

I cannot get over this diary and specifically page 16 where the author, allegedly a child with disabilities who was abused by leon black and jeffrey epstein, obliquely references that donald trump took her "dignity": https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2012/EFTA02731433.pdf

She wrote it in code and doesn't go into detail. And the diary seemingly was put together in the early 2000s. It is mind boggling to me that there was no closure on this issue.