The August 2019 US Politics Thread is dumb (stupid}

XP Sometimes people just spontaneously combust...

I think the past 20 years or so have made me constitutionally resistant to conspiracy theories. So all the Clinton body count stuff is making me puke today.

Literally every lefty on Twitter looks like a fucking idiot right now

Every conspiracy usually boils down to people being shitty/lazy at their jobs, or systems based on indifference and routine

#TontyBlerBodyCount

As someone on twitter pointed out the best counter to ClintonBodyCount is the continued existence of Anthony Weiner - you wouldn’t even need to be sneaky about that one, I think everyone would understand.

I don’t think the idea that Epstein was killed is at all ridiculous though.

Every conspiracy usually boils down to people being shitty/lazy at their jobs, or systems based on indifference and routine

In this case, I think indifference was probably a big factor. I think the point of view of a lot of prison guards would be: who cares whether this notorious scumbag lives or dies and why do I have to be extra vigilant to protect him from himself? If he dies, it's just that much simpler and the world is better off without him. Larger considerations would not enter their heads.

I don’t think the idea that Epstein was killed is at all ridiculous though.

me neither

May just find that whoever killed Epatein was one of the parents. Or working form
Undermines conspiracy theories somewhat possibly.

Every conspiracy usually boils down to people being shitty/lazy at their jobs, or systems based on indifference and routine

the one counter argument against this being a murder or 'pushed' suicide is that there isn't much to keep the evidence they've collected from coming out now. so I don't know what doing this accomplishes, except keeping epstein from talking. I guess maybe he knew much more than they have evidence on.

trump's comment on Hollywood appears to be about The Hunt which admittedly doesn't look like a very helpful movie though it looks fairly entertaining.

well this story just landed yesterday..

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/aug/09/prince-andrew-court-documents-ghislaine-maxwell-jeffrey-epstein

May just find that whoever killed Epatein was one of the parents. Or working form
Undermines conspiracy theories somewhat possibly.

― Stevolende, Saturday, August 10, 2019 9:36 AM (twelve minutes ago)

Seems a little doubtful that the parents would have the resources to get to him inside, or would want to stop the case from going to trial.

xp yeah I don't get trump's beef w/ The Hunt, the trailer and little I've read make it sound like straight MAGA fearmongering

I assume Epstein was the victim of an ordinary jailhouse murder of a child abuser

nah

Was thinking that if he wasn't got now he wouldn't exactly have teh nicest time of it inside. Not sure to what extent a rich paedo can protect himself safely inside, would think at least somebody would remain wanting to get him.

allergic reaction to prison food

he was in an isolated cell

Seems likely to me that Epstein committed suicide, but as he swum in a cesspool of mutual blackmail, its very possible the suicide was prompted to by blackmail/threats against someone he cared for. Maybe Ghislaine, maybe others. Certainly within the capabilities of some the powerful he endangered, or Robert Maxwell's old pals Mossad and/or KGB/FSB.

The NY NBC affiliate is reporting that Epstein wasn't on suicide watch, just two weeks after his prior attempt. That deserves some prying.

How in the ever living fuck does this happen when he’s on constant watch???

Don't know about the US but, in the UK, if notorious murderers/criminals feel like killing themselves in prison they tend to succeed... guards seem to often be doing something else at the propitious time.

... see Fred West, Harold Shipman, for example.

Learning all about safety smocks and bedding this morning...

At least these models have an appropriate expression:
http://media.cleveland.com/metro/photo/suicide-smock-ferguson-sergejpg-bdbcba42e0556433.jpg

^^ best scene in MIDSOMMAR

ha was abt to post that

would have cushioned those falls for sure

Literally every lefty on Twitter looks like a fucking idiot

oh pleeeeeease girlfriend

confirmation bias

Variety reports:

Universal Pictures has canceled the release of its upcoming thriller “The Hunt.” The film was previously set to hit theaters Sept. 27. “While Universal Pictures had already paused the marketing campaign for The Hunt, after thoughtful consideration, the studio has decided to cancel our plans to release the film, ” a spokesperson for Universal said.
“We stand by our filmmakers and will continue to distribute films in partnership with bold and visionary creators, like those associated with this satirical social thriller, but we understand that now is not the right time to release this film.”

So we have the prez and his hordes effectively censoring the film biz now.

frankly sounds like The Most Dangerous Game (1932) and its frequent remakes.

the synopsis made it sound like a right-wing fantasy movie frankly

likely!

Epstein's death was undoubtedly a bipartisan project.

I’ll just say this re: Epstein

If the sudden death under custody of an insanely wealthy sex trafficker with verifiable connections to many of the most powerful and influential people in the world, including a former and current president, isn’t enough to at least give you pause then wtf is wrong with you

yep

Xps not even just notorious criminals. Acquaintance of ours killed themselves in prison, also on suicide watch. They were in for relatively minor crimes. In the UK, at any rate, suicide watch does not mean they are being watched all the time, might only be checked once every couple of hours at night iirc.

otm

He was taken off of suicide watch, is the thing

it's very hard for me to believe that someone who spent his life cultivating powerful connections and getting away with crimes would think, even at this point, that his situation was hopeless and there was no way to wriggle out of serious consequences.

I’ll just say this re: Epstein

If the sudden death under custody of an insanely wealthy sex trafficker with verifiable connections to many of the most powerful and influential people in the world, including a former and current president, isn’t enough to at least give you pause then wtf is wrong with you

― Conceptualize Wyverns (latebloomer), Saturday, August 10, 2019 3:48 PM (thirteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

I don’t find it implausible that a man in his position would be suicidal. He’s being left out to dry by the people who made him in the first place.

You don’t need an elite hit squad to off a dude in that state, you just got to give him the opportunity to do it to himself.

*uncomfortable lol*

[irrefutable evidence that the american ruling class ran a sex trafficking ring and held secret gatherings on a private island]
it is simply not credible that a man was murdered in a prison

— Shuja Haider (@shujaxhaider) August 10, 2019

The Hunt looks OK (surprisingly decent cast), but it doesn't exactly scream "wide theatrical release".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8IifEu67yU

I hope it at least pops up on Amazon Prime.

tons of these movies play multiplexes, isn't this a Blumhouse prod?

"right wing fantasy" kinda unlikely given the Lindelof co-write imo

weirdly even more insulting to me than the video game argument

lol i have literally read about two sentences about the plot, don't mind me :)

"Did anyone see what our ratfucker-in-chief just did?" one character asks early in the screenplay for The Hunt, a Universal Pictures thriller set to open Sept. 27. Another responds: "At least The Hunt's coming up. Nothing better than going out to the Manor and slaughtering a dozen deplorables."

it's very hard for me to believe that someone who spent his life cultivating powerful connections and getting away with crimes would think, even at this point, that his situation was hopeless and there was no way to wriggle out of serious consequences.

narcissists don't, as a general rule, kill themselves

lol trump retweeted this, let's gooo https://t.co/idYqVN4VKG

— ordinary guy (@icedteacommie) August 10, 2019

Trump's desire to see the clintons hang is so strong he keeps shining a light on a case in which he is a fixture. kind of amazing

Speaking as a person who has been on the receiving end of MANY eyerolls at social functions when mentioning conspiracy theories of any kind, it’s a pretty wild goddamn time to be alive.

— Kate Hagen (@thathagengrrl) August 10, 2019