I wrote "levelling" on the UK politics thread earlier and couldn't remember if it was "levelling" (UK iirc) or "leveling" (US iirc) because at least the US has a rule whereas the British rule is "just remember it" afaik
(I think there is a rule in USEng, anyway - "aver" has the stress on -"er" so in the US it's averring but "waver" has the stress on "wav" so it's "wavering", iirc?)
same as there is no rule for -ent and -ant except "just remember it from all the books you've read, what do you mean you spend more time reading Joe Public's unedited thoughts on twitter than reading the classics" with a little dash of "just remember it from your knowledge of etymology and Latin verb conjugations"
and there is no rule for -er vs -or except "maybe it depends on when the word was imported and whether it came from French or Latin or just because people wanted to add -er to a word, oh hell, make it up already"
the truly galaxy brain people do the same with -ise/-ize except s/Latin/Greek/ of course (taps nose)
― a passing spacecadet, Saturday, 10 August 2019 13:54 (five years ago) link
The rule in USE is the consonants are doubled when a suffix is in play if the accent of the word is on the last syllable. If the accent falls somewhere else, then no doubling is needed.
I decided long ago to let whatever version of benefitting or benefiting the writer was using to pass. I swear, at least in my region, there are at least two pronunciations of "benefit". BEN-e-fit if it's a noun and ben-e-FIT if it's a verb.
Also, since fit turns into fitting, most casual writers go for benefitting. My life is too short to judge anymore.
― pplains, Saturday, 10 August 2019 14:10 (five years ago) link
Wait, are there any words that would take a single "l" before "ing" in International English?
― All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Saturday, 10 August 2019 14:58 (five years ago) link
Er, or "er"?
― All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Saturday, 10 August 2019 14:59 (five years ago) link
if there is a vowel before the "l"?
― All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Saturday, 10 August 2019 15:00 (five years ago) link
caroling?
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 10 August 2019 15:27 (five years ago) link
gamboling, imperiling.. but yes it doubles on "er" it seems..
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 10 August 2019 15:29 (five years ago) link
I might use 2 "l"s for "carolling" and "imperilling", though I have never used the latter. Merriam Webster gives voth spellings. I don't know what "gamboling" means.
― All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Saturday, 10 August 2019 15:31 (five years ago) link
*both
https://www.google.com/amp/s/globalnews.ca/news/4771695/carolling-group-spreading-festive-cheer-helping-children-across-the-okanagan/amp/
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/carolling-filipino-style-1.4958179
― All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Saturday, 10 August 2019 15:33 (five years ago) link
"Imperilling" in the caption here: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbc.ca/amp/1.3807349
― All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Saturday, 10 August 2019 15:42 (five years ago) link
Two ll's looks weird there.
― Euripedes' Trousers (Tom D.), Saturday, 10 August 2019 15:49 (five years ago) link
What do UK papers use?
― All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Saturday, 10 August 2019 15:52 (five years ago) link
cancelling vs. canceling? I’ve seen both used.
― Mr. Snrub, Saturday, 10 August 2019 15:56 (five years ago) link
Double ll's invariably in the UK.
― Euripedes' Trousers (Tom D.), Saturday, 10 August 2019 16:07 (five years ago) link
Definitely the first in Canada and I think most places outside the US? xp
― All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Saturday, 10 August 2019 16:17 (five years ago) link
The rule is if there's a squiggly red line under it change the spelling until the line goes away.
― nickn, Saturday, 10 August 2019 16:26 (five years ago) link
This is probably better fodder for the 'grammar fiends' thread, but other than in formal writing, omitting to double the final consonant is rarely going to make a groat's worth of difference to anyone. Its major purpose seems to be to make the division between the root word and the suffix more prominent. But that's just a nicety.
― A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 10 August 2019 16:39 (five years ago) link
that the string lines in kashmir are 3/4 but the drumming is in 4/4 !!? christ i am dim
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 10 August 2019 17:31 (five years ago) link
The guitar riff is in 3 too, if you're not counting that as a string instrument.
― All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Saturday, 10 August 2019 17:36 (five years ago) link
Guitars are woodwinds iirc
― Rumspringsteen (Ye Mad Puffin), Saturday, 10 August 2019 18:53 (five years ago) link
Ha, it's just that sometimes people say "strings" to mean "bowed strings".
― All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Saturday, 10 August 2019 19:05 (five years ago) link
my instinct is to double the Ls, but the arkansas travelers bring me back to america
― mookieproof, Saturday, 10 August 2019 19:06 (five years ago) link
Its major purpose seems to be to make the division between the root word and the suffix more prominent.
I usually want to pronounce a long vowel sound when I see a single consonant between vowels.
― All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Saturday, 10 August 2019 19:15 (five years ago) link
in the american rule of spelling the single consonant only comes after an unstressed vowel, which is therefore unlikely to be sounding as a long vowel (at least i can't think of an example where pronouncing it as a long vowel wouldn't shift the stress onto that vowel, and hence switch the terms of the rule: travEEler etc)
― mark s, Saturday, 10 August 2019 20:13 (five years ago) link
Answer to thread question: that “Louie Louie” is a “chalypso.”
― Another Fule Clickin’ In Your POLL (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 10 August 2019 20:15 (five years ago) link
challopso
― mark s, Saturday, 10 August 2019 20:16 (five years ago) link
mark s go on challopso
― YouGov to see it (wins), Saturday, 10 August 2019 20:17 (five years ago) link
My boy challopso
― Another Fule Clickin’ In Your POLL (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 10 August 2019 20:19 (five years ago) link
On a similar "good things actually bad for you" tip a lot of ppl dont seem to know that raw kale/chard is really not a good idea, because in its raw state its loaded with oxalic acid.
― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Monday, August 5, 2019 9:43 PM (six days ago) bookmarkflaglink
ugh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
― flappy bird, Sunday, 11 August 2019 05:38 (five years ago) link
American grammar relies on you knowing the rules
speaking english well requires a good ear
― phil neville jacket (darraghmac), Sunday, 11 August 2019 10:04 (five years ago) link
not "learned" per se as this happened in my adult life, but I forgot that the concepts of "red" and "blue" states are new and an invention of the TV networks.
modern definition first used in 2000 Presidential election, prior to that, tv networks often assigned colors at random (blue once went to the Republican candidate)
― i'd rather zing like a man, than FP like a coward (Neanderthal), Sunday, 11 August 2019 15:51 (five years ago) link
It wasn’t until after the 2000 election per se afaik, when papers and TV had to keep reporting on the map bcz the Bushes stealing the election extended coverage past one night? ie previously everyone just used their own colour scheme in live reporting, but kinda shrugged & followed the NYT (?) when they all had to keep talking abt the map for weeks.
― quelle sprocket damage (sic), Sunday, 11 August 2019 17:06 (five years ago) link
How did they end up with those colours? I thought blue = right and red = left in most countries?
― All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Sunday, 11 August 2019 17:08 (five years ago) link
yeah, before 2004 (afaik) more US print outlets used red = left and blue = right, and/but many TV stations would actually flip them each time to avoid the commie connotations
― quelle sprocket damage (sic), Sunday, 11 August 2019 17:13 (five years ago) link
ha
Archie Tse, The New York Times graphics editor who made the choice when the Times published its first color presidential election map in 2000, provided a nonpolitical rationale, explaining that "Both 'Republican' and 'red' start with the letter 'R.'"
― quelle sprocket damage (sic), Sunday, 11 August 2019 17:14 (five years ago) link
Lol
― i'd rather zing like a man, than FP like a coward (Neanderthal), Sunday, 11 August 2019 18:16 (five years ago) link
I was baffled at the what i very def perceived as a reassignment of red to gop in that time, as i always recalled it as red>dems which made intuitive sense based on red/left history. i really dont recall it alternating ever, but- if they say so.
― Hunt3r, Sunday, 11 August 2019 20:07 (five years ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/H3JKROr.jpg
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/when-republicans-were-blue-and-democrats-were-red-104176297/
― pplains, Sunday, 11 August 2019 20:33 (five years ago) link
chuck todd makes a reasonable point, astonishing
― Hunt3r, Sunday, 11 August 2019 20:43 (five years ago) link
“If it had been flipped, the map would have been too dark,” he said. “The blue would have been swamping the red. Red is a lighter color.”idiot.
― The Pingularity (ledge), Sunday, 11 August 2019 20:49 (five years ago) link
so are there ANY foods that are good for you???? avocados are still safe right?
― flappy bird, Sunday, 11 August 2019 21:44 (five years ago) link
who eats raw kale??
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 11 August 2019 21:45 (five years ago) link
ppl who eat salads and sandwiches iirc
― quelle sprocket damage (sic), Sunday, 11 August 2019 21:46 (five years ago) link
"Salads" and "sandwiches"
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Sunday, 11 August 2019 21:46 (five years ago) link
Dude I've been eating raw kale based salads for like a year and a half
― flappy bird, Sunday, 11 August 2019 22:06 (five years ago) link
isn't it kind of.. tough?? and rubbery?
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 11 August 2019 22:07 (five years ago) link
i know people who won't even cook it unless they've 'massaged' it for 5 minutes**i may have done this once
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 11 August 2019 22:08 (five years ago) link
idk if I’be ever eaten it any less cooked than braised
― untuned mass damper (mh), Sunday, 11 August 2019 22:46 (five years ago) link