The August 2019 US Politics Thread is dumb (stupid}

I mean there may be a result but let's not be too hasty because there could also not be a result. Which isn't to say that there definitely WON'T be a result.

Deep state at it again, amirite?

honestly let's focus less on the fact that they were able to find one Republican to wave an orphan under Trump's grinning mug and more on the fact that the hospitalized shooting victims banded together and with one clarion voice told Trump he could fuck off back to the golf course

I'm going to say this once and then let it go because some of the assumptions here are tiresome/stupid, but I would think it's obvious that from a practical and political power perspective, it's best for the Democrats if impeachment charges/votes are brought up *during the 2020* campaign, ie in the summer/fall. That way they build as deliberate and airtight case as possible (hopefully with court rulings on their side), they build consensus in the party, and hopefully they build support in the court of public opinion, which is not currently on the side of impeachment. If articles of impeachment were introduced and voted on now, even if they passed the House the articles would die in the Senate, and then Trump would appear invulnerable moving into the 2020 election - it would be a huge boost to his re-election campaign, "see, they tried to get me with their nonsense, and I BEAT THEM". BUT, if hearings are held and articles are introduced in the summer/fall, Pelosi can slow walk it so that it becomes a central campaign issue, with Dems wielding it as a weapon to gin up turnout.

That's how it currently looks to me, anyway.

lol so what's the vision, holding the election, trump losing, then the senate having enough sack to actually impeach when trump is lame-ducking it

I'm not sure it would really be much of a boost - I would imagine everyone in the country who's even the least bit politically informed knows that right now the Republican party exists solely to run cover for Trump

but I do agree that impeachment is destined to fail no matter what so they might as well deploy it strategically

(xp) The vision is Trump losing. It's a good vision.

Rush Lumbago began his radio show warning that "there are people in the West Wing" pushing Orange Grifter to "compromise" with the Dems on gun control... always a mistake, says Rushie, bcz "they want to wipe us out."

he also sez "We know not to pay attention to what Trump tells the media... so don't panic."

checks out

I would imagine everyone in the country who's even the least bit politically informed knows that right now the Republican party exists solely to run cover for Trump

not so sure about that. very few people are informed, first of all. i think to the casual observer, the thought is "if he was actually doing crimes, he would have been impeached by now", and if their brain stem has managed to pick up signs of the name "mueller", maybe add "and mueller would have recommended impeachment"

take the most idiotic thought possible and multiply it by 3, and that is what the casual observer thinks

"Who cares? They're all a bunch of crooks."

those are the people who tend to make up the 50% or so that don't vote

everyone in the country who's even the least bit politically informed knows

too much depends on the source of that 'information'. people riveted to FOX News all day are 'politically informed' up to the hilt, but the quality of that information would not tend to lead people to the same conclusions you are assuming.

I mean, either consciously or unconsciously, since these are the people who have also transformed their political mindset to give Trump a pass on everything

Trump supporters already think there's a gigantic conspiracy to take him out of office so I'm not sure if actually trying to do it is gonna move the needle much

there is a gigantic conspiracy to take him out of office, i've been pushing everyone to be a part of it since election day

haven't all the studies shown that people who don't vote, if compelled to, would vote in similar patterns as those that do?

...the senate having enough sack to actually impeach when trump is lame-ducking it

assuming Trump loses in 2020 the entire focus of the GOP is going to be building a “case” for impeaching the next Dem president—whether the current House moves to impeach or not. They will campaign in 2022 on impeaching the D president for merely being alive and deigning to cross the threshold of the Oval Office. believe it.

Where's the articles of impeachment?

a-A-AND THOSE TAX RETURNS WHERE'S THOSE

will otm

yep

can't wait to get a hold of those damning tax documents a month or two after he's voted out of office and already in a new country corrupting new shit

You impeacheded us first, a-holes! Just wait, we're gonna impeach you so hard your pants'll split!

Toddlers gonna toddle, etc.

the situation in texas state politics is insane

https://www.texasmonthly.com/politics/texas-house-speaker-dennis-bonnen-michael-quinn-sullivan/

Xp but still, From now on, every inauguration will be the beginning of impeachment season. Bet on it.

conservative activist Michael Quinn Sullivan who, like most assassins, goes by all three of his names.

lol

and already in a new country corrupting new shit

this is one faint ray of hope: the gigantic baby is too terrified of going to places that aren't owned by him to flee the country, and no other country is going to let him in to corrupt shit to his own ends anyway

of course if impeached he'll escape jail time bcz his doctors will all of a sudden discover that he has advanced dementia & it would be cruel to remove him from care, but

bcz his doctors will all of a sudden discover that he has advanced dementia acute bone spurs & it would be cruel to remove him from care

ftfy

Brain Spurs

Butt spurts

It has been kinda cool to learn that you can skirt the consequences of all debased behavior by just striving to be the absolute worst in every conceivable way to the extent that it short circuits everyone's capacity to deal with you effectively.

I don’t think “you” can, HE can. One of the few silver linings of Trump is that I feel like his MO is hard to replicate since it’s so grounded in his bizarre self-absorption.

I wouldn't count on that

[Trump then went on a seemingly unprompted tangent about Hollywood being “racist.”

“Hollywood is racist,” Trump said. “What they’re doing with the kind of movies they’re putting out, it’s actually very dangerous for our country. What Hollywood is doing is a tremendous disservice to our country.”

Trump offered no examples.

you know you're a genius media manipulator when you can conjure an argument that has only terrible examples out of thin air

I don’t think “you” can, HE can. One of the few silver linings of Trump is that I feel like his MO is hard to replicate

I mean Cosby's in prison but I'd probably wait on the Weinstein/Epstein cases before drawing any definitive conclusions.

good morning!

Twitter is reporting that Epstein committed 'suicide'. Rather convenient for a lot of parties.

Breaking: Jeffrey Epstein committed suicide overnight at MCC Manhattan, the federal lockup where he had been held pending trial on federal sex trafficking charges, three law enforcement officials told @ABC News. Via @AaronKatersky

— Julia Macfarlane (@juliamacfarlane) August 10, 2019

Well that’s disappointing. Hopefully the truth will still come out somehow.

How in the ever living fuck does this happen when he’s on constant watch???

He's pushed.

And we learned yesterday that former senator George Mitchell was one of the men accused of having sex with one of his girls

thank god they drained the swamp or this would reek

bill richardson too, which is disappointing as I liked him. both democrats. I'm sure Qanon people are having a field day now. I wonder what will happen with the rest of this investigation and the other people implicated

Jeffrey Epstein's suicide ends the criminal case against him because no one else was charged in the indictment.

— Renato Mariotti (@renato_mariotti) August 10, 2019

BREAKING: Alleged "camera malfunction" last night at MCC where Jeffrey Epstein was locked up.#EpsteinFiles

— Michael Coudrey (@MichaelCoudrey) August 10, 2019

Disregard second tweet (from a crank w/ no corroboration)