2020 Democratic presidential primary

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Complaining about "purity" is how the worst Democrats try to shame voters into electing them.

My November vote is meaningless, and I'm never voting for Joe fucking Biden.

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 4 August 2019 13:57 (six years ago)

"f Biden even beats Trump (and thats a big assumption), he isn't undoing any of Trumps work" I find that unlikely frankly. He'll be pushed to undo a fair amount of it. Paris Accord to start with.

akm, Sunday, 4 August 2019 14:37 (six years ago)

the problem w biden is not that he will continue trump's policies; it's that he will continue obama's and do little else. trump is nostalgic for 19th c./pre-crm america. biden is nostalgic for the tepid incrementalism of the late 20th c..

Carisis LaVerted (m bison), Sunday, 4 August 2019 14:42 (six years ago)

^^^^^^^^

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 4 August 2019 14:43 (six years ago)

right now biden is still the front runner to win the nomination by a decent margin, bernie is doing everything right but seems to have hit a ceiling in the polls, warren and harris have gained a little ground but not much

just for the record

Vape Store (crüt), Sunday, 4 August 2019 14:52 (six years ago)

There is no revolution coming. Stick your head in the oven now if you're waiting for one.

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Sunday, 4 August 2019 15:20 (six years ago)

Is "revolution" shorthand for "Warren and Harris" in your analysis?

never have i been a blue calm sea (collardio gelatinous), Sunday, 4 August 2019 15:24 (six years ago)

Or "Bernie"? Or what?

never have i been a blue calm sea (collardio gelatinous), Sunday, 4 August 2019 15:24 (six years ago)

This is it for me

What worries the left about Biden is not that he might lose to Trump, though they do worry that. The first order worry is that, as president, he'd just grumble "folks, we're better than this" as the GOP stole his lunch money, setting up a GOP comeback in 2024.

— Dave Weigel (@daveweigel) April 27, 2019

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Sunday, 4 August 2019 15:27 (six years ago)

There is no revolution coming

we've had one and are having one; it's from the right, asshole

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 4 August 2019 15:31 (six years ago)

we've had one and are having one; it's from the right

No, this (Trump, racist massacres, etc.) isn't a revolution, it's a regression to the mean. America re-asserting its fundamental nature.

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Sunday, 4 August 2019 15:49 (six years ago)

trump was elected b/c he won suburban voters in swing states not because america is cursed by god to be a fascist state forever

Vape Store (crüt), Sunday, 4 August 2019 16:06 (six years ago)

no it's cursed by the Democratic Party

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 4 August 2019 16:08 (six years ago)

lol fair enough

Vape Store (crüt), Sunday, 4 August 2019 16:13 (six years ago)

conflating "we want something more than tepid 1990s incrementalism" with "we expect a revolution imminently" is unfair. sorta like "anyone not tripping over themselves to preemptively announce that they'd settle for retrograde centrism is aiding trump."

Good morning, how are you, I'm (Doctor Casino), Sunday, 4 August 2019 16:14 (six years ago)

the problem w biden is not that he will continue trump's policies; it's that he will continue obama's and do little else. trump is nostalgic for 19th c./pre-crm america. biden is nostalgic for the tepid incrementalism of the late 20th c..

― Carisis LaVerted (m bison), Sunday, August 4, 2019 10:42 AM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

Maybe the party moved enough to the left that Biden, if he were to become president, would be forced to enact and promote stuff closer to Bernie/AOC or Warren than Obama had to.

Van Horn Street, Sunday, 4 August 2019 16:27 (six years ago)

as always, the presidency is not in a vacuum

McConnell needs to be overthrown

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 4 August 2019 16:29 (six years ago)

off a cliff

I don't get wet because I am tall and thin and I am afraid of people (Eliza D.), Sunday, 4 August 2019 16:36 (six years ago)

the problem w biden is not that he will continue trump's policies; it's that he will continue obama's and do little else. trump is nostalgic for 19th c./pre-crm america. biden is nostalgic for the tepid incrementalism of the late 20th c..

― Carisis LaVerted (m bison), Sunday, August 4, 2019 10:42 AM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

Maybe the party moved enough to the left that Biden, if he were to become president, would be forced to enact and promote stuff closer to Bernie/AOC or Warren than Obama had to.

― Van Horn Street, Sunday, August 4, 2019 11:27 AM (thirty-seven minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

maybe! but only with sustained pushback from the progressive wing of the party. my worry is that biden would treat his election as a mandate for his policies/centrism (ie dont push too hard on anything bc it will cost us political capital) and he will be supported in congress by the party stalwarts who will likewise exercise excessive caution.

Carisis LaVerted (m bison), Sunday, 4 August 2019 17:39 (six years ago)

I’m not suggesting McConnell deserves defenestration but I’m not suggesting we pass laws to stop people from having access to windows and wriggling, begging Senate leaders either.

omar little, Sunday, 4 August 2019 17:43 (six years ago)

Tim Ryan has "suspended" his campaign. Also, he cussed on TV.

Tim Ryan announces he’s withdrawing from presidential race and tells Republicans to “get their shit together” in same clip. #WhiteNationalistTerrorism pic.twitter.com/mhRiHN3l2m

— Neurology Doctor (@NeurologyDoctor) August 4, 2019

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Sunday, 4 August 2019 18:17 (six years ago)

I hope this is the start of a wave of exits

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Sunday, 4 August 2019 18:17 (six years ago)

we could call it tixet. or ryxet.

Carisis LaVerted (m bison), Sunday, 4 August 2019 18:19 (six years ago)

timex

Vape Store (crüt), Sunday, 4 August 2019 18:32 (six years ago)

here's fairly in depth evisceration of Gabbard's 'evolution' on LGBTQ issues by a Hawaiian civil rights activist; unfortunately dude has only posted this on FB but I think it's viewable without an account.

https://www.facebook.com/notes/michael-golojuch-jr/explaining-why-tulsi-gabbards-evolution-is-a-farce/10156786642754693/?fref=gs&dti=2240902096166538&hc_location=group

akm, Sunday, 4 August 2019 19:13 (six years ago)

also that doesn't say Ryan has dropped out of the race, he has just suspended it. althogh I assume he will drop out completely at some point soon.

akm, Sunday, 4 August 2019 19:17 (six years ago)

Gabbard is the favored candidate of Russian trolls.

hedonic treadmill class action (Sanpaku), Sunday, 4 August 2019 21:42 (six years ago)

https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-columnists/the-mass-shootings-in-el-paso-and-dayton-should-spur-democrats-to-propose-big-ideas-on-gun-violence

The stupefying regularity of these mass killings can inspire a sense of futility, even as the evidence suggests that the political prospects for gun control are shifting. In 2018, state legislatures passed sixty-nine gun-control measures, three times as many as were passed in 2017, according to a tally by the Times, using data compiled by the Gifford Law Center. Remarkably, gun-control groups outspent the N.R.A. during the midterm elections. The once fearsome group is mired in infighting and financial turmoil. The Democratic candidates seeking their party’s Presidential nomination have been vocally proclaiming their support for measures such as universal background checks, the assault-weapons ban, and federal funding for research on gun violence.

Yet in a Democratic race that has been animated by energy from the left and vigorous debates about sweeping policies such as Medicare for All and the Green New Deal, the dearth of truly bold ideas and robust discussion on guns is striking. Last month, the lone Democratic candidate who supported a mandatory gun-buyback program, Representative Eric Swalwell, dropped out of the race. Swalwell tried to make gun control a signature issue of his campaign. The California congressman proposed reinstating the federal assault-weapons ban, buying back all existing assault weapons—he estimated that there might be fifteen million in circulation––and prosecuting anyone who resisted. Swalwell put the cost at about fifteen billion dollars. “What is it worth to American taxpayers to not see our families, friends and neighbors cut down in a hail of gunfire?” Swalwell wrote in an op-ed, in USA Today. “Consider this an investment in averting carnage and heartache and loss.”

The most ambitious proposal that has some currency in the Democratic field calls for the establishment of a federal gun-licensing system. Several candidates––most prominently, Senator Cory Booker––support this deceptively simple idea: that buying a gun should be more like driving a car. Anyone interested in purchasing a firearm would be required to obtain a license first. (Currently, under federal law, gun buyers must pass only a background check.) In May, Booker detailed his proposal as part of a broader gun-violence-prevention plan. Under Booker’s plan, gun purchasers would have to make an appointment at a designated local office, answer basic background questions there, submit fingerprints, and provide proof of completion of a certified gun-safety course. The concept is bolstered by research: one study suggested that a permit-to-purchase law for handguns, enacted in Connecticut in 1995, resulted in forty per cent fewer firearm homicides; conversely, another study found that the repeal of a permit-to-purchase law in Missouri, in 2007, led to an abrupt increase in gun-related homicides.

There are other solutions that could be debated: a far more onerous licensing plan; banning all semi-automatic weapons; expanding the federal criteria that bar gun purchases to include violent misdemeanors; making it easier to disqualify someone for mental-health reasons. The obvious critique to far-reaching gun-control proposals is the same one that moderates have unsuccessfully tried to use against Warren and Senator Bernie Sanders: that their plans have no chance of becoming reality. But Sanders’s Medicare for All advocacy during his 2016 campaign is instructive. As my colleague Osita Nwanevu has written, it has thoroughly altered the terms of the health-care debate in the Democratic Party. Sometimes an unrealistic-seeming idea simply needs an ardent champion, someone willing to set political pragmatism aside. Often, that is how norms shift.

Warren herself clearly understands this. When John Delaney, a former congressman from Maryland, accused her of making “impossible promises” and engaging in “fairy-tale economics,” during the Democratic debate in Detroit last week, Warren responded with one of the most stirring lines of the evening: “I don’t understand why anyone goes to all the trouble of running for President of the United States to tell us what we can’t do and shouldn’t fight for.” The right to go to Walmart, or to a food festival, or to church, or to a synagogue, or to school, without fear of being shot, is eminently worth fighting for.

k3vin k., Sunday, 4 August 2019 21:49 (six years ago)

at this point it's gotta be a given that anyone who gets within shouting distance of doing anything serious about guns will require secret service protection 24/7. i'd be scared to work on that person's staff. I'd be scared to be married to them.

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 4 August 2019 23:21 (six years ago)

Gotta give Beto props for this

Beto O’Rourke on his way to his car was asked if there’s anything Trump can do now to make this better.

“What do you think? You know the shit he’s been saying. He’s been calling Mexican immigrants rapists and criminals. I don’t know, like, members of the press, what the fuck?” pic.twitter.com/zjLYf4mzBr

— Eric Bradner (@ericbradner) August 5, 2019

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Monday, 5 August 2019 02:34 (six years ago)

church youth minister beto turned disillusioned grad student beto is a good turn

Carisis LaVerted (m bison), Monday, 5 August 2019 02:37 (six years ago)

"what the fuck?!" and "Fuck this country" are the only conceivable responses

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 5 August 2019 02:58 (six years ago)

Beto needs to drop out immediately and declare for Cornyn's seat.

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Monday, 5 August 2019 03:24 (six years ago)

^^^

The Ravishing of ROFL Stein (Hadrian VIII), Monday, 5 August 2019 03:27 (six years ago)

Everyone otm

Karl Malone, Monday, 5 August 2019 03:32 (six years ago)

relatedly

NEWS: @RepKenMarchant to retire tomorrow, per two Republicans. He’ll be the fourth Texas Repub in recent weeks to call it quits.

And Marchant’s DFW-area district is highly competitive. After winning it by double digits, he only carried it by three last year.

— Jonathan Martin (@jmartNYT) August 5, 2019


I keep coming back to the 2018-based measures of Trump's approval rating among Texas voters--right around 50%, including in the exits
To me, it implies Trump was well underwater in TX24--say, minus-4 or worse--where Kenny Marchant (R) is poised to retire https://t.co/vITO72uG9a pic.twitter.com/MFCzLfNomB

— Nate Cohn (@Nate_Cohn) August 5, 2019


And it also, obviously, implies that the GOP's broader concerns about Texas are pretty well-warranted. By our estimates, Trump was underwater *statewide* in Texas among either RVs or in a presidential electorate
The GOP sirens are going off for a reason

— Nate Cohn (@Nate_Cohn) August 5, 2019

statewide is different and maybe he wouldn't stand a chance, but it's *insane* how much more good he'd do for every congressional race and the statehouse as a viable candidate at the top of the statewide ticket.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 5 August 2019 03:41 (six years ago)

someone from the DNC should knock on Beto's door with a suitcase full of money and tell him to run for Senate

president of deluded fruitcakes anonymous (silby), Monday, 5 August 2019 03:52 (six years ago)

I didn’t get video, but here’s audio of the question and Beto O’Rourke’s answer. This came after an emotional vigil in El Paso, as O’Rourke circled behind a building looking for his wife. pic.twitter.com/VBk8xoE1lz

— Eric Bradner (@ericbradner) August 5, 2019

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 5 August 2019 04:16 (six years ago)

Beto's been on point all day.

never have i been a blue calm sea (collardio gelatinous), Monday, 5 August 2019 04:37 (six years ago)

http://youtu.be/Jjo-cnE1Pz4

hedonic treadmill class action (Sanpaku), Monday, 5 August 2019 21:44 (six years ago)

^"Too Many Jebs". 1 minute of campaign promos of centrist middleaged white male candidates, cut to the "Too Many Cooks" theme. I'll have to learn how to embed YT videos all over...

hedonic treadmill class action (Sanpaku), Monday, 5 August 2019 21:48 (six years ago)

I lol'd

Οὖτις, Monday, 5 August 2019 21:55 (six years ago)

Forgot Steyer was even running.

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Monday, 5 August 2019 21:58 (six years ago)

Interesting: @BetoORourke tells @jonfavs he’s open to an Australia-style mandatory buyback program for guns.

That makes him the most prominent Democratic presidential candidate favoring that idea. pic.twitter.com/Rb0xsSPlav

— Sahil Kapur (@sahilkapur) August 6, 2019

beto has leaped about 5 spots for me now

k3vin k., Tuesday, 6 August 2019 01:43 (six years ago)

Were you a big Swalwell fan too

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 6 August 2019 01:44 (six years ago)

swallwell supported buying back only assault rifles, a cosmetic half-measure

I’m sure beto will walk this back soon so don’t worry about me, I’m still the same cynical asshole

k3vin k., Tuesday, 6 August 2019 02:06 (six years ago)

so don’t worry about me, I’m still the same cynical asshole

New board description.

frustration and wonky passion (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 6 August 2019 03:53 (six years ago)

What are Jay Inslee’s flaws?

SA, Tuesday, 6 August 2019 18:50 (six years ago)

name recognition

jakey mo collier (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 6 August 2019 18:51 (six years ago)

his main flaw is that he won't be president

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 6 August 2019 18:51 (six years ago)


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