2020 Democratic presidential primary

Not endorsing a Warren candidacy would be a great way for DSA to complete marginalize themselves again

Every generation gets its own "Nader supporters".

Aggressively dumb, kudos.

I lived through the Bush presidency, as over a hundred thousand were killed, millions became refugees, zero progress was made on the climate crisis, just because Nader drew at least a few thousand progressives away from the the Dem ticket in Florida.

I'd love to live in a proportional voting system, where there's a viable party giving a voice to most points on the multidimensional poltical spectrum. Alas, we live with 18th century political technology, and in the general, we can either support the least bad major party option, or in effect support the worst.

i would assume the majority of ppl posting here "lived through the bush presidency" given that it ended slightly over a decade ago

i seriously doubt even a single person will change their voting behavior because DSA declines to issue a press release saying they endorse elizabeth warren

xp - "just because"

though if you do believe that the DSA endorsement will determine the general election, you could just make sure that bernie is the nominee

I doubt not endorsing Clinton in 2016 won’t have the same effect as not endorsing Warren in 2020. It seems pretty clear to me that for starters, Bernie has much more respect and admiration for Warren.

I doubt not endorsing Clinton in 2016 won’t have the same effect as not endorsing Warren in 2020. It seems pretty clear to me that for starters, Bernie has much more respect and admiration for Warren.

DSA didnt endorse Clinton

@bombsfall: can't believe a socialist org won't endorse a candidate who loudly identifies as a capitalist and who made a point of clapping in approval when the current president inveighed against the current rise of socialists in the US
― gbx, 3. august 2019 22:22 (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

Like, your argument literally is that she used the wrong words and clapped at the wrong time, and this is honestly the politics of a toddler. A socialist not endorsing Warren over Trump is a weird sectarian kind of socialists.

DSA didnt endorse Clinton

― Οὖτις, Saturday, August 3, 2019 7:27 PM (forty-one minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Yeah that’s what I meant.

Weird how "I'm not a socialist" are the "wrong words" for earning a, uh, socialist organization's endorsement.

I'd never even heard of DSA until recently and am still a bit shakey on what they are (ie: are they some kind of actual official group or some loose collection of idealogues like the Tea Party?)

They’ll endorse Bernie who is more or less as close to “socialism” as Warren.

oh it's actually the socialists I used to avoid on campus. thanks wikipedia.

Which really ain’t socialism at all.

Exactly

God only knows what kind of socialists and socialism would be acceptable.

"more or less" doing a lot of work these days

I'm planning to vote for Warren because Bernie is 900 years old and I'm not really willing to flip a coin on an octogenarian's cognitive decline but they're far from identical.

It’s true they are different, Warren knows the difference between Keynes and Marx.

A socialist not endorsing Warren over Trump is a weird sectarian kind of socialists.

― Frederik B, Saturday, August 3, 2019

http://66.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_me1s7i3G6A1qbw3a4o3_250.gif

words and public actions mean things, Shit Head Fred

Al Gore is a tool who kept saying "I agree" when he debated Dubya. HE lost the fucking election (not really, but he conceded).

and as always the 2000 obsessives never count up the minor-party righties in Florida, just cuz

biden is the only dem candidate who seems to be polling well in florida right now fwiw

Shit Head Fred

― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Saturday, August 3, 2019 8:30 PM (forty-four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

i know that official board policy is to NOT encourage morbs zingnames but this one is good, esp bc now i read it like right said fred

that was my first reading too.

I like Frederik B, hope he keeps posting

https://i.imgur.com/SWJYuZT.png

Scranton born. Scranton-born.

I thought it was Drop Dead Fred

no! scranton born

Dundee finalist Joe Biden

Also idk why Shit Head Fred is making me giggle so much

But I'm in the Drop Dead Fred camp

Morbs in the tub asking a dude to get married and closing his eyes and Shit Head Fred jumping in the water and Morbs being all like ‘no not you Shit Head Fred’.

lol

this is the weirdest season of the bachelor ever

Confused at the posts upthread that are saying Biden is fine. If Biden even beats Trump (and thats a big assumption), he isn't undoing any of Trumps work

are we really already starting with They’re Both the Same?

I don't believe so, I think its somewhere in-between "Is Fine" and "They're Both the Same". Its definitely possible he would reverse some of Trumps actions

That is invalid. More like Better Is Not Good Enough. xp

Complaining about "purity" is how the worst Democrats try to shame voters into electing them.

My November vote is meaningless, and I'm never voting for Joe fucking Biden.

"f Biden even beats Trump (and thats a big assumption), he isn't undoing any of Trumps work" I find that unlikely frankly. He'll be pushed to undo a fair amount of it. Paris Accord to start with.

the problem w biden is not that he will continue trump's policies; it's that he will continue obama's and do little else. trump is nostalgic for 19th c./pre-crm america. biden is nostalgic for the tepid incrementalism of the late 20th c..

^^^^^^^^

right now biden is still the front runner to win the nomination by a decent margin, bernie is doing everything right but seems to have hit a ceiling in the polls, warren and harris have gained a little ground but not much

just for the record

There is no revolution coming. Stick your head in the oven now if you're waiting for one.

Is "revolution" shorthand for "Warren and Harris" in your analysis?

Or "Bernie"? Or what?

This is it for me

What worries the left about Biden is not that he might lose to Trump, though they do worry that. The first order worry is that, as president, he'd just grumble "folks, we're better than this" as the GOP stole his lunch money, setting up a GOP comeback in 2024.

— Dave Weigel (@daveweigel) April 27, 2019

There is no revolution coming

we've had one and are having one; it's from the right, asshole