2020 Democratic presidential primary

That seems an extremely supportable position given that she is not a socialist, will have the DNC’s endorsement, and every DSA member that’s in favour of her will still be free to campaign and organise for her anyway.

Bernie’s not a socialist either nyah WGAF

he's just not "a capitalist to his bones" no matter what his book sold

I would have been absolutely shocked to see the DSA support Warren given that she stood up and clapped when Trump said the US will never be a socialist country during his state of the union.

I knew he was self-funding but seeing it in print is so much funnier

lol check out the top donors to this fucking clown’s PAC pic.twitter.com/M7cH4fZpP5

— chris (@MuellerDad69) August 3, 2019

Delaney owes his political career to one of the most gerrymandered districts in america, and he still almost lost to alt right psycho Dan Bongino in 2014

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maryland%27s_6th_congressional_district

Not endorsing a Warren candidacy would be a great way for DSA to complete marginalize themselves again

They're 60,000 people in a nation of 320m+, and leftists to boot. They are already marginal by every conceivable definition.

But yeah, they should definitely endorse someone who would never publicly accept or acknowledge their support in a bid to launch themselves into mainstream acceptance, which is definitely just around the corner.

If we were going to play along with Fred's logic
DSA membership after endorsing Kerry & Obama: 4000
DSA membership after not endorsing Clinton: 30000 and climbing

Lol, they endorsed Kerry and Obama, but won't endorse Warren?

lol Fred u fuckin eejit

Fred being either disingenuous or ignorant up in here. The DSA has completely different leadership and membership now than it did pre-2016. Bernie's run infused the previously moribund organization with tens of thousands of new, young members with higher standards and much different ideas about strategy.

Is this your first time meeting Fres

d

not a day goes by where he doesn’t feel like he’s smarter than everyone else on here

good morning!

I doubt not endorsing Clinton in 2016 won’t have the same effect as not endorsing Warren in 2020. It seems pretty clear to me that for starters, Bernie has much more respect and admiration for Warren.

What kind of impact does a DSA endorsement, or lack thereof, have on US elections?

zero

tens of thousands of new, young members with higher standards and much different ideas

Every generation gets its own "Nader supporters".

I don’t think the DSA sink to that level

A good chunk of them don't even care about electoral work.

Not endorsing a Warren candidacy would be a great way for DSA to complete marginalize themselves again

Every generation gets its own "Nader supporters".

Aggressively dumb, kudos.

I lived through the Bush presidency, as over a hundred thousand were killed, millions became refugees, zero progress was made on the climate crisis, just because Nader drew at least a few thousand progressives away from the the Dem ticket in Florida.

I'd love to live in a proportional voting system, where there's a viable party giving a voice to most points on the multidimensional poltical spectrum. Alas, we live with 18th century political technology, and in the general, we can either support the least bad major party option, or in effect support the worst.

i would assume the majority of ppl posting here "lived through the bush presidency" given that it ended slightly over a decade ago

i seriously doubt even a single person will change their voting behavior because DSA declines to issue a press release saying they endorse elizabeth warren

xp - "just because"

though if you do believe that the DSA endorsement will determine the general election, you could just make sure that bernie is the nominee

I doubt not endorsing Clinton in 2016 won’t have the same effect as not endorsing Warren in 2020. It seems pretty clear to me that for starters, Bernie has much more respect and admiration for Warren.

I doubt not endorsing Clinton in 2016 won’t have the same effect as not endorsing Warren in 2020. It seems pretty clear to me that for starters, Bernie has much more respect and admiration for Warren.

DSA didnt endorse Clinton

@bombsfall: can't believe a socialist org won't endorse a candidate who loudly identifies as a capitalist and who made a point of clapping in approval when the current president inveighed against the current rise of socialists in the US
― gbx, 3. august 2019 22:22 (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

Like, your argument literally is that she used the wrong words and clapped at the wrong time, and this is honestly the politics of a toddler. A socialist not endorsing Warren over Trump is a weird sectarian kind of socialists.

DSA didnt endorse Clinton

― Οὖτις, Saturday, August 3, 2019 7:27 PM (forty-one minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Yeah that’s what I meant.

Weird how "I'm not a socialist" are the "wrong words" for earning a, uh, socialist organization's endorsement.

I'd never even heard of DSA until recently and am still a bit shakey on what they are (ie: are they some kind of actual official group or some loose collection of idealogues like the Tea Party?)

They’ll endorse Bernie who is more or less as close to “socialism” as Warren.

oh it's actually the socialists I used to avoid on campus. thanks wikipedia.

Which really ain’t socialism at all.

Exactly

God only knows what kind of socialists and socialism would be acceptable.

"more or less" doing a lot of work these days

I'm planning to vote for Warren because Bernie is 900 years old and I'm not really willing to flip a coin on an octogenarian's cognitive decline but they're far from identical.

It’s true they are different, Warren knows the difference between Keynes and Marx.

A socialist not endorsing Warren over Trump is a weird sectarian kind of socialists.

― Frederik B, Saturday, August 3, 2019

http://66.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_me1s7i3G6A1qbw3a4o3_250.gif

words and public actions mean things, Shit Head Fred

Al Gore is a tool who kept saying "I agree" when he debated Dubya. HE lost the fucking election (not really, but he conceded).

and as always the 2000 obsessives never count up the minor-party righties in Florida, just cuz

biden is the only dem candidate who seems to be polling well in florida right now fwiw

Shit Head Fred

― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Saturday, August 3, 2019 8:30 PM (forty-four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

i know that official board policy is to NOT encourage morbs zingnames but this one is good, esp bc now i read it like right said fred