2020 Democratic presidential primary

and football as “soccer”

and it quite offends me when Democrats, usually white and male, use a term called The Working Class, which often implies that blacks and Latinos and gays and women don't comprise The Working Class.

― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, August 2, 2019 12:07 PM (seven minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

I would replace "often" with "always"

― brigadier pudding (DJP), Friday, August 2, 2019 12:08 PM (six minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

yeah "always" sounds right

Sorry - I did think Democrats had lost ground among black and latino voters too

dems've been gaining with latinos for a while. dubya won 40% of latino voters in 2004 iirc.

that's about when i moved to the UK so i guess I'm just a LEETLE out of date

The bright side:
https://www.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/FT_18.11.09_LatinosMidterms_many-more-voted-dem-than-rep.png?w=420

The perplexing side:
https://www.pewhispanic.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/5/2018/10/PH_2018.10.25_National-Survey-of-Latinos-2018_6-04.png

that could be a phrasing thing. "concern for" is kinda vague.

re de Blasio, NYC hasn't changed much since he entered office re affordable housing, wages, giant commercial boondoggles like Hudson Yards being built, etc, and even tho he has no direct control of the transit system he's getting blamed for that ongoing decline. He also has engaged in some dubious chicanery re donors, favors, and policy.

He polls much better among PoC, and the cops hate him, so I'll give him that.

dems've been gaining with latinos for a while. dubya won 40% of latino voters in 2004 iirc.

― Carisis LaVerted (m bison), Friday, August 2, 2019 12:19 PM (eleven minutes ago)

republicans kind of threw latino voters away. tons of latinos are at least small c conservative and dubya was - in comparison with contemporary republicans - extremely dovish on immigration, and courted latino voters using spanish in campaign adds and speeches (hispandering maybe, but at least he made an effort). so he did really pretty well with latino voters.

compare with mexico are sending us rapists

(or at least the cop union leaders, a vile bunch, hate him) xxp

What the hell, I've never taken "working class" to mean anything but people who work for a living. It seems to me that trying to redefine "working class" to refer only to white men would be a strategy used by people who just don't want to talk about class and would prefer to shade conversations on the subject as racist.

Guess it's time to go back to the word "proletariat", huh?

dems've been gaining with latinos for a while. dubya won 40% of latino voters in 2004 iirc.

― Carisis LaVerted (m bison), Friday, August 2, 2019 12:19 PM (eleven minutes ago)

republicans kind of threw latino voters away. tons of latinos are at least small c conservative and dubya was - in comparison with contemporary republicans - extremely dovish on immigration, and courted latino voters using spanish in campaign adds and speeches (hispandering maybe, but at least he made an effort). so he did really pretty well with latino voters.

― bookmarkflaglink (jim in vancouver), Friday, August 2, 2019 2:33 PM (forty-five seconds ago) bookmarkflaglink

i know im from tx! and tx gop continues with the same. greg abbott won reelection for governor hugely despite a poor showing from the zodiac killer against bob o'rourke. abbott has balanced the whole border security shit with "my wife is mexican-american, im not like THOSE republicans".

I’ve seen people argue (quite plausibly imo) that the Biden drop is not due to hardening opposition from the left, but centrists seeing that he’s just not up to a general election, regardless of his policies.

let's hope so!

What the hell, I've never taken "working class" to mean anything but people who work for a living.

plz explain your claim that the Dems have been hemorrhaging the working class vote then. Because, like I said, the only working class votes they've been losing are the racist white ones.

to be fair, there are quite a few working class whites. so losing them to racist demagoguery hurts the Democratic coalition. But you're totally right about continued support among non-whites, I was wrong. i found this page, which is easy to find with a cursory google:

https://www.people-press.org/2018/03/20/wide-gender-gap-growing-educational-divide-in-voters-party-identification/

I do think the Democratic Party hasn't had a significantly different attitude to capital and state macroeconomic power than anyone else in Washington has, which is bad not good, and they need to pay a lot more attention to the unions

state macroeconomic power

the two parties have very different views on the role of federal government in the economy. One party (guess which one!) believes in and often acts on a management model predicated on federal oversight of industry. The other is essentially just corrupt robber barons using the power of the state to benefit their own narrow economic interests and little else.

Like, Trump believes in state macroeconomic power but only insofar as he can wield it to punish his perceived enemies and dole out (tbf, totally inadequate) subsidies to constituencies his policies would otherwise harm

tax policies are totally different. one creates regulatory entities, the other undermines when it can't outright destroy them (Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, for ex.) etc

don't want to beat a dead horse, but: if Pelosi's main concern is caucus wrangling, tamping down dissent, what would she lose by dropping the kayfabe and just saying that? (genuine question). would conservative and moderate dems would see that as backstabbing?

and what specifically does she gain from publicly spanking popular leftists promoting broadly popular policies? I just feel that someone with her experience would be cagey enough to either not speak on it directly, or at the very least parry these kinds of questions more artfully. idk.

She admonished AOC specifically for violating norms of conduct within the caucus, not anything policy-related. Which is generally her m.o.

Policy-wise when it comes to public statements she sticks to promoting bills that have followed the normal course of legislative business and have the support of the majority (if not the entirety) of the caucus. Party infighting is generally blown out of proportion by the press and always followed by statements from party members about their support for and appreciation of Pelosi. Jayapal, AOC, for ex both did this after having spats between aides that went public.

de blasio appears to have no interest whatsoever in actually running a city, and i've heard people who've worked with city government say he's a terrible manager. running for president when he has no chance is complete vanity -- he's trying to get out of doing his current job while angling for something bigger (and getting party insiders paid to advise him)

the subway isn't his fault, but nor has he been able to use whatever clout he has to make anything better

the whole thing about him being driven 14 miles to work out in a gym in park slope is silly, but a better politician would neither do it nor allow it to become attached to him

i'd still vote for him over cuomo tho

i know im from tx! and tx gop continues with the same. greg abbott won reelection for governor hugely despite a poor showing from the zodiac killer against bob o'rourke. abbott has balanced the whole border security shit with "my wife is mexican-american, im not like THOSE republicans".

Abbott also let Lt. Governor Dan Patrick carry the Trump water during the election.

xxp OK fine, but why be mean to a bunch of kids who come to your office to express their concerns?

look those kids need to learn how to keep a caucus together someday

Btw, AOC staffer that started the shitstorm w his stupid tweet has quit: https://thehill.com/homenews/house/455996-ocasio-cortez-chief-of-staff-to-leave-her-office

that doesn't seem like the correct order of events

>@DemSocialists will not endorse another 2020 Dem candidate (cough Warren cough) if Sanders loses the primary. By no means a unanimous decision. One delegate opposing rez said, "Trump is too dangerous to take cards off the table right now." He lost the argument. #dsacon2019

— Greg Krieg (@GregJKrieg) August 2, 2019

That seems an extremely supportable position given that she is not a socialist, will have the DNC’s endorsement, and every DSA member that’s in favour of her will still be free to campaign and organise for her anyway.

Bernie’s not a socialist either nyah WGAF

he's just not "a capitalist to his bones" no matter what his book sold

I would have been absolutely shocked to see the DSA support Warren given that she stood up and clapped when Trump said the US will never be a socialist country during his state of the union.

I knew he was self-funding but seeing it in print is so much funnier

lol check out the top donors to this fucking clown’s PAC pic.twitter.com/M7cH4fZpP5

— chris (@MuellerDad69) August 3, 2019

Delaney owes his political career to one of the most gerrymandered districts in america, and he still almost lost to alt right psycho Dan Bongino in 2014

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maryland%27s_6th_congressional_district

Not endorsing a Warren candidacy would be a great way for DSA to complete marginalize themselves again

They're 60,000 people in a nation of 320m+, and leftists to boot. They are already marginal by every conceivable definition.

But yeah, they should definitely endorse someone who would never publicly accept or acknowledge their support in a bid to launch themselves into mainstream acceptance, which is definitely just around the corner.

If we were going to play along with Fred's logic
DSA membership after endorsing Kerry & Obama: 4000
DSA membership after not endorsing Clinton: 30000 and climbing

Lol, they endorsed Kerry and Obama, but won't endorse Warren?

lol Fred u fuckin eejit

Fred being either disingenuous or ignorant up in here. The DSA has completely different leadership and membership now than it did pre-2016. Bernie's run infused the previously moribund organization with tens of thousands of new, young members with higher standards and much different ideas about strategy.

Is this your first time meeting Fres

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not a day goes by where he doesn’t feel like he’s smarter than everyone else on here

good morning!

I doubt not endorsing Clinton in 2016 won’t have the same effect as not endorsing Warren in 2020. It seems pretty clear to me that for starters, Bernie has much more respect and admiration for Warren.

What kind of impact does a DSA endorsement, or lack thereof, have on US elections?