2020 Democratic presidential primary

Going after Trump doesn't require marshaling facts or plans or policies - that's bringing a bag of piss to a shitfight. It requires bringing a level of verbal combat that she doesn't seem to have an affinity for.

Warren is a very engaging communicator. She doesn't have to rely on a teleprompter at all.

but like, who are you gonna win over with that. I mean don't get me wrong I really want someone to call Trump a fucking idiot to his face but I don't think you're going to get any extra votes that way. you probably wouldn't lose any either.

I mean I get the temptation to compare her to Clinton but the difference is that her policies were boring, Obama-era centrist shit that was very difficult to be enthusiastic about. Warren is actually progressive.

christ these threads are so repetitive

the majority of voters don't vote based on policy preferences, they vote based on vague impressions that are built up from memes/soundbites/one liners/easily digestible narratives

yes agree

would be happy to vote for her. Trump will eat her alive.

― Οὖτις, Thursday, August 1, 2019 2:38 PM (fifteen minutes ago)

^Warren is the one I would most like to have as president, but I worry about this

"single-payer healthcare", "free education", and "doing literally anything about the climate crisis" are easily digestible narratives

nope

average idiot doesn't know what single payer healthcare is, thinks they are already getting a free education (isn't that what public schools are?), and there is not a solid majority of this country that understands the scope of the climate crisis or what is required (and certainly doesn't want any solutions that cost them money)

BUILD THE WALL
VOTE FOR THE FIRST BLACK PRESIDENT

these are easily digestible narratives

if only women voted as a bloc VOTE FOR THE FIRST WOMAN PRESIDENT might have worked, but they don't

Yerac, I went to elementary at the colegio latinoamericano de integración on Pedro de Valdivia, until the coup in September ‘73 we were sent home and the Junta closed the school (too progressive). The school did reopen at a different location later, but my family was in exile in Montreal by then. Twelve years later in 1985, with now one of my cousins attending the school, and in the first month of school, two teachers were grabbed by secret police right at the school gates, in front of students, shoved into a car and shortly thereafter murdered, presumably for involvement in the teacher’s union, in human rights work, and Communist Party affiliation. You might have heard of this episode, it’s known as “El Caso de los Degollados.” Of course , it seriously fucked with my cousin’s and fellow students heads.

a bunch of xp’s obv

shakes a lot of people know what medicare is, it is a popular program to put it mildly

thinks they are already getting a free education (isn't that what public schools are?)

lol cmon man

BUILD THE WALL
VOTE FOR THE FIRST BLACK PRESIDENT

these are easily digestible narratives

So is IT'S ME OR DONALD TRUMP.

And IT'S ME OR DONALD TRUMP was worth a 3 million popular vote margin before the fucker had the chance to hang his ass out in public every day for three years.

really hoping that carries the day!

yes, me too

cuz I think that might be what we get stuck with

xp: Different vibes for me. Warren is your still spry grandmother, HRC was your henpecking ex-wife.

xpost cg, i'm not chilena but I've been coming here for about a decade because spouse is an astronomer. My chilean history is better than the average american's but it still has huge gaps. Do you ever come back? It has noticeably changed a lot in the time I've been here. Like, friends used to bring up Pinochet a lot as to the reason people didn't socialize out in public a lot at night, preferring to congregate in peoples' private homes.

xp carey i do go back, though i haven't for several years now, planning to do so in the fall or winter. would love to talk you more then! my mother's side of the family is deeply entangled in the modern Chilean left, and therefore in history. i highly recommend the documentary film "la batalla de Chile" if you can find it, regarding the Allende period leading up to the coup.

ps: i wanted to become an astronomer when i was a young boy. :-)

(or no xp after all)

Oh, would love either of your thoughts on Nostalgia for the Light and The Pearl Button, maybe on another thread.

Sanpaku I haven't seen them yet! I shall correct that.

my first thought when I saw Yerac's post was Nostalgia for the Light

Ohh, we'll watch some this weekend (just looked all up). I know that astronomer in Nostalgia for the Light since spouse is also a profesor at the same university.

Ha, I was just told it's weird and seeing it once was enough.

Those three films are all by Patricio Guzman. La Batalla de Chile /The Battle of Chile is remarkable in having been filmed during the Allende period and, um... well it's worth reading the back story about the making of it...

yeah, I will watch them. they look good.

you guys can return back to your programming of screaming harpies, shrill bitches, nagging wives etc.

(and this is all relevant to the Dem primaries because.... democratic socialism!)

srsly. enough with the misogynist talking points.

voters in this country are misogynistic btw

O RLY

well a lot of people are saying

Ha, I was just told it's weird and seeing it once was enough.

― Yerac, Thursday, August 1, 2019 4:00 PM

weird but also great!

it is very strange, I admit, that bernie is probably the second-"safest" candidate in an primary with more than two people in it -- like, imagine if someone had said that would be the case in 2009

xpost I don't trust his opinion because he's been watching season 3 of Riverdale right now and it's terrible.

it's stranger if Biden is the safest despite him having lost twice already.

I'd rather die in a pogrom than play the game of trying to win over misogynists by ranking candidates by how sex-criminalesque they are who cares if a lot of voters are misogynist

a lot of voters are rapists and racists and queerbashers

get a grip shakey!

Tulsi Gabbard claims that MSNBC is being fed talking points from Kamala Harris in a testy exchange about her meeting with Assad pic.twitter.com/pHQ0bHd2PK

— chris evans (@notcapnamerica) August 1, 2019

Gabbard is an idiot. If we're going to hold Biden accountable for his op-ed in 1980 and his stance on bussing in the 1970's, Gabbard should absolutely be held account for her views on Assad and stop acting like 2015 is ancient history (this goes for her LGBT views too...'that was long ago'...it was less than a decade. that's not 'long ago').

Journalist Horace White described Lincoln as having “a thin tenor, or rather falsetto, voice, almost as high-pitched as a boatswain’s whistle.” Others described it as “shrill” and “sharp,” which the New York Herald noted in February 1860 had “a frequent tendency to dwindle into a shrill and unpleasant sound.”

I was just making a joke about our shitty electorate, not sure if anything I posted was taken as a "misogynistic talking point"

xp

trump does not have the most appealing vocal timbre even if he didn't suck

Lincoln talked exactly like this iirc
https://youtu.be/vT0zJaH69Go

voters in this country are misogynistic btw

Hillary Clinton got 3 million more votes than Donald Trump.

Hillary Clinton got the most votes of any Presidential candidate ever.

Donald Trump is not popular. Donald Trump has never been popular. He won the presidency through an Electoral College fluke that he is very, very unlikely to repeat. Yes, incumbency has advantages, when the candidate is sane. I refuse to believe - I refuse to believe - that Donald Trump's words and actions, which are the words and actions of an insane and possibly senile racist, have drawn more voters to his side in the last three years.

xp really don't want to watch that whole clip to find out what you mean

considering anyone's vocals as a detriment because it has inherently "feminine" qualities, because having feminine qualities is the absolute worst, is still bad.