2020 Democratic presidential primary

my family of three (where I'm the only employed person; well my wife freelances but doesn't have a normal 'job') pays $15k a year for health, dental, and vision; that includes the premiums (pretax) and the deductibles and the bullshit 'cost-sharing' after the deductibles are met. I'd be surprised if my taxes went up $15k a year to pay for single payer. Maybe they would but I kind of doubt it.

also presumably my job might be able to afford to pay me more or hire more people if they didn't have to pay the rest of the costs that fall on them for each of these things.

Inslee won't be president but if a Dem wins and picks him to head the EPA or Energy I think that would be a great outcome.

Does Yang have a single idea other than UBI?

xp Yeah evol, though imo Energy would be better than EPA. We need him helping to build the new energy economy.

Inslee won't be president but if a Dem wins and picks him to head the EPA or Energy I think that would be a great outcome.

― Evans on Hammond (evol j), Thursday, August 1, 2019 12:19 PM (nine minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

I'd selfishly rather he run for WA Sen

He should be President of the Earth, really.

Does Yang have a single idea other than UBI?

UBI is the cornerstone, but yes, no-tie has tons of ideas.

https://www.yang2020.com/policies/

Does Yang have a single idea other than UBI?

yes: ROBOTS!

Yang wants to tax corporations too, I think.

DOE mostly just moves nuclear waste around fyi

Xps

EPA has much broader regulatory authority, a bigger budget, and a much wider impact on the broader economy than DOE, Inslee would be great there.

good info, i honestly didn't know where he'd potentially have the greatest impact.

interior could also work
xp

interior only has control over public lands. the EPA can shut down coal plants.

Trump has to reopen them first.

xp

I've donated to Inslee and Warren. Inslee, because the longer he stays in the more the central crisis of our generation (and the next several hundred generations, given the atmospheric lifetime of carbon dioxide) must be addressed by the other candidates. Warren, because she's the viable in the general anti-corporatist who doesn't scare children and isn't obsessed with rehabilitating the word "socialist".

those children have much worse to be scared of imho

Tulsi is the scariest, delivering doom in husky tones

She can't be scary because even though she tries to flatten it she still sounds so hawaiian.

^ ha ok true. (where in chile are you btw? that's where I was born & much of my extended family lives)

Warren, because she's the viable

i envy the confidence in such pronouncements

I continue to be baffled by anyone that thinks Warren and Sanders have broad appeal in the electorate. Warren is boring to watch. Sanders is entertaining in a crazy uncle way.

xpost santiago. a couple of blocks from costanera.

Warren definitely seems to connect in her town halls. You see snippets of her routine in the debates (the "we pay for roads/education/firefighters" bit, the "corporations will offshore for a nickel" bit). Honestly, I think its more effective than hearing the phrase "top X percent" 20 times in a row.

That said, its going to be uphill so long as there's Fed easing and a more intense Russian disinfo/electoral hacking campaign. Too many will look at their 401k and say "this isn't so bad".

Warren is boring to watch.

Journalists who have attended Warren's events tend to disagree. As do the people who show up to those events, but they would, wouldn't they?

Shakey you can stump for your home state gal without FUDing about Warren

I get that she gives off serious schoolteacher vibes but I don't think Warren is boring at all. Now Hillary, she was boring.

I like Warren fine

would be happy to vote for her. Trump will eat her alive.

Going after Trump doesn't require marshaling facts or plans or policies - that's bringing a bag of piss to a shitfight. It requires bringing a level of verbal combat that she doesn't seem to have an affinity for.

Warren is a very engaging communicator. She doesn't have to rely on a teleprompter at all.

but like, who are you gonna win over with that. I mean don't get me wrong I really want someone to call Trump a fucking idiot to his face but I don't think you're going to get any extra votes that way. you probably wouldn't lose any either.

I mean I get the temptation to compare her to Clinton but the difference is that her policies were boring, Obama-era centrist shit that was very difficult to be enthusiastic about. Warren is actually progressive.

christ these threads are so repetitive

the majority of voters don't vote based on policy preferences, they vote based on vague impressions that are built up from memes/soundbites/one liners/easily digestible narratives

yes agree

would be happy to vote for her. Trump will eat her alive.

― Οὖτις, Thursday, August 1, 2019 2:38 PM (fifteen minutes ago)

^Warren is the one I would most like to have as president, but I worry about this

"single-payer healthcare", "free education", and "doing literally anything about the climate crisis" are easily digestible narratives

nope

average idiot doesn't know what single payer healthcare is, thinks they are already getting a free education (isn't that what public schools are?), and there is not a solid majority of this country that understands the scope of the climate crisis or what is required (and certainly doesn't want any solutions that cost them money)

BUILD THE WALL
VOTE FOR THE FIRST BLACK PRESIDENT

these are easily digestible narratives

if only women voted as a bloc VOTE FOR THE FIRST WOMAN PRESIDENT might have worked, but they don't

Yerac, I went to elementary at the colegio latinoamericano de integración on Pedro de Valdivia, until the coup in September ‘73 we were sent home and the Junta closed the school (too progressive). The school did reopen at a different location later, but my family was in exile in Montreal by then. Twelve years later in 1985, with now one of my cousins attending the school, and in the first month of school, two teachers were grabbed by secret police right at the school gates, in front of students, shoved into a car and shortly thereafter murdered, presumably for involvement in the teacher’s union, in human rights work, and Communist Party affiliation. You might have heard of this episode, it’s known as “El Caso de los Degollados.” Of course , it seriously fucked with my cousin’s and fellow students heads.

a bunch of xp’s obv

shakes a lot of people know what medicare is, it is a popular program to put it mildly

thinks they are already getting a free education (isn't that what public schools are?)

lol cmon man

BUILD THE WALL
VOTE FOR THE FIRST BLACK PRESIDENT

these are easily digestible narratives

So is IT'S ME OR DONALD TRUMP.

And IT'S ME OR DONALD TRUMP was worth a 3 million popular vote margin before the fucker had the chance to hang his ass out in public every day for three years.

really hoping that carries the day!

yes, me too

cuz I think that might be what we get stuck with

xp: Different vibes for me. Warren is your still spry grandmother, HRC was your henpecking ex-wife.