2020 Democratic presidential primary

I think people need to stop referring to a "middle class" and actually speak about income because I think most americans have no clue what the middle class is anymore and just assume if they aren't living in poverty or making multi millions every year, they are the middle class.

xxp sorry, to clarify, we pay about the same amount in taxes as we do privately which has the effect of doubling the cost.

― Carisis LaVerted (m bison), Thursday, August 1, 2019 1:46 PM (twenty-five seconds ago) bookmarkflaglink

But if a single payer system passes, the presently uninsured people who are going to have to be paid for. Then you have to cancel the taxes that insurances companies bring in because of the large and lucrative work force is going to be redundant.

There is reasons why this is complicated and debated.

fred, m bison just penned you a letter explaining why American progressives would "try and sell it as something that would lower costs for the middle class"

Tracer how is the system in France? I've only ever purchased inhalers there. (5 euro).

VHS, presumably that vast workforce would be in pole position for new, federal, unionized jobs in an expanded medicare bureaucracy :)

Yerac it's like a regular insurance plan with fairly high deductibles, which most people pay for with add-on private insurance

what do we think of Jay Inslee here on ilxor.com
I know he's another super long shot in a field crammed with 'em but I like the idea of climate change being a candidate's first, second, and third priority. is it worth donating to him or should I just give it to Liz?

― frogbs, Thursday, August 1, 2019 12:46 PM (seven minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

jay inslee is great, you should donate to him. in a political era where things like record, experience, and effectiveness as an executive meant a shit, he'd actually have a good shot at the nomination.

fred, m bison just penned you a letter explaining why American progressives would "try and sell it as something that would lower costs for the middle class"

― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), 1. august 2019 19:53 (two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

It just seems like it would be a better fight to tackle racism head on, instead of lying to the racists and then act all indignant when the media refuses to play along...

Tracer, France is different than either single payer or the Netherlands/Biden proposal, right?

I have la citoyenneté and I don’t even know that.

We have add on private insurance in chile. I just wing it when I am in the states because I figure you can just put my body back on a plane somehow to get me back to chile if I need a procedure. I tell people here how in the states you can have insurance and then get a crazy bill months later because your insurance company didn't cover something and no one knows how much any drug or procedure costs from place to place.

thanks voodoo

I've only read a little bit about Inslee and he seems fairly legit, I know he hasn't got a shot but I think him raising way more than the other dudes polling at 0-1% would send some kind of message

red, m bison just penned you a letter explaining why American progressives would "try and sell it as something that would lower costs for the middle class"

― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), 1. august 2019 19:53 (two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

It just seems like it would be a better fight to tackle racism head on, instead of lying to the racists and then act all indignant when the media refuses to play along...

― Frederik B, Thursday, August 1, 2019 12:57 PM (five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

FRIEND WEVE GOTTA LIFT AS WE CLIMB HERE OK

xp frogbs I highly recommend listening to Chris Hayes's recent podcast interview with Inslee. Impressive dude.

I was just looking up the US tax brackets again and they all seem fairly low but then I guess you have to remember that a lot of states and some cities have their own income taxes, but there are also so many deductions that you can take to lower your net income.

Gravel campaign winding down, donations getting redirected to Flint.

Were we ever sure he was aware that his accounts had been hacked?

what do we think of Jay Inslee here on ilxor.com
I know he's another super long shot in a field crammed with 'em but I like the idea of climate change being a candidate's first, second, and third priority. is it worth donating to him or should I just give it to Liz?
― frogbs, Thursday, August 1, 2019 12:46 PM (seven minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

jay inslee is great, you should donate to him. in a political era where things like record, experience, and effectiveness as an executive meant a shit, he'd actually have a good shot at the nomination.
― jakey mo collier (voodoo chili), Thursday, August 1, 2019 1:56 PM (thirty minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

^^^^^^^

I like the idea of donating to Inslee just to keep his message in these debates.

VHS as far as i am aware the French government is the single payer and the private insurance companies primarily exist to cover deductibles, as well as to give gold-plated coverage to poshos

the private part is called "la mutuelle" and of course those vary widely in terms of coverage and can be an enormous pain in the ass

xp frogbs I highly recommend listening to Chris Hayes's recent podcast interview with Inslee. Impressive dude.

okay just finishing it and yeah, he's very good. not only does he get the urgency but he actually seems to have a legitimate plan to confront it. I know he's a longshot but I hope he makes a huge splash, this is exactly the kind of thinking we need for Hellworld 2020

my family of three (where I'm the only employed person; well my wife freelances but doesn't have a normal 'job') pays $15k a year for health, dental, and vision; that includes the premiums (pretax) and the deductibles and the bullshit 'cost-sharing' after the deductibles are met. I'd be surprised if my taxes went up $15k a year to pay for single payer. Maybe they would but I kind of doubt it.

also presumably my job might be able to afford to pay me more or hire more people if they didn't have to pay the rest of the costs that fall on them for each of these things.

Inslee won't be president but if a Dem wins and picks him to head the EPA or Energy I think that would be a great outcome.

Does Yang have a single idea other than UBI?

xp Yeah evol, though imo Energy would be better than EPA. We need him helping to build the new energy economy.

Inslee won't be president but if a Dem wins and picks him to head the EPA or Energy I think that would be a great outcome.

― Evans on Hammond (evol j), Thursday, August 1, 2019 12:19 PM (nine minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

I'd selfishly rather he run for WA Sen

He should be President of the Earth, really.

Does Yang have a single idea other than UBI?

UBI is the cornerstone, but yes, no-tie has tons of ideas.

https://www.yang2020.com/policies/

Does Yang have a single idea other than UBI?

yes: ROBOTS!

Yang wants to tax corporations too, I think.

DOE mostly just moves nuclear waste around fyi

Xps

EPA has much broader regulatory authority, a bigger budget, and a much wider impact on the broader economy than DOE, Inslee would be great there.

good info, i honestly didn't know where he'd potentially have the greatest impact.

interior could also work
xp

interior only has control over public lands. the EPA can shut down coal plants.

Trump has to reopen them first.

xp

I've donated to Inslee and Warren. Inslee, because the longer he stays in the more the central crisis of our generation (and the next several hundred generations, given the atmospheric lifetime of carbon dioxide) must be addressed by the other candidates. Warren, because she's the viable in the general anti-corporatist who doesn't scare children and isn't obsessed with rehabilitating the word "socialist".

those children have much worse to be scared of imho

Tulsi is the scariest, delivering doom in husky tones

She can't be scary because even though she tries to flatten it she still sounds so hawaiian.

^ ha ok true. (where in chile are you btw? that's where I was born & much of my extended family lives)

Warren, because she's the viable

i envy the confidence in such pronouncements

I continue to be baffled by anyone that thinks Warren and Sanders have broad appeal in the electorate. Warren is boring to watch. Sanders is entertaining in a crazy uncle way.

xpost santiago. a couple of blocks from costanera.

Warren definitely seems to connect in her town halls. You see snippets of her routine in the debates (the "we pay for roads/education/firefighters" bit, the "corporations will offshore for a nickel" bit). Honestly, I think its more effective than hearing the phrase "top X percent" 20 times in a row.

That said, its going to be uphill so long as there's Fed easing and a more intense Russian disinfo/electoral hacking campaign. Too many will look at their 401k and say "this isn't so bad".

Warren is boring to watch.

Journalists who have attended Warren's events tend to disagree. As do the people who show up to those events, but they would, wouldn't they?

Shakey you can stump for your home state gal without FUDing about Warren

I get that she gives off serious schoolteacher vibes but I don't think Warren is boring at all. Now Hillary, she was boring.

I like Warren fine