Quentin Tarantino's Manson murders movie

"hoping the Scorsese film will be a meal at Rao's after you've all gone to Chuck E Cheese with this one"

is scorsese doing a tate film?

I'm hoping the second weekend box office dive will be at least 65% (unless the screen count is going up)

it was shot on 35

Having no interest in Tarantino is one thing, but holding out Scorsese--based on his body of work the past 20 years at least, especially the films that aren't documentaries--as something to aspire to, I don't get that.

Silence was great!

Yeah, clem, Silence was easily his best since The Age of Innocence.

otm

I thought it was pretty good like Age of Innocence was pretty good (and, for that matter, like Phantom Thread was pretty good)--expertly made, and a dim echo of what I loved about Scorsese's great films up to Goodfellas. (We probably shouldn't get into that here, though.)

Silence following The Wolf of Wall Street is one of the best runs this decade imo, two phenomenal films for obviously different reasons

I've followed most of this thread--has anyone mentioned Rick Dalton's stutter yet? Intriguing. Fantastic: Tate's daydreamy look as she drives along to "The Circle Game." Was also thinking that, like Midnight Cowboy, whatever you think about everything else, there's a great friendship at the core of this film (even if a subservient one--that Dalton tries hard to smooth over).

i was intrigued by the stuttering too! ... and you can see in his interactions with the girl on the Lancer set that he’s pausing before troublesome words to mitigate the stutter

second time around i noticed his speech patterns and tone is very similar to Kurt Russell, especially in that opening Bounty Law promo interview

Silence following The Wolf of Wall Street is one of the best runs this decade imo, two phenomenal films for obviously different reasons

agree w this, was a p unexpected one-two punch with two great and entirely different movies

(xpost) Obviously one of the film's best lines: "I don't like names like 'Pumpkin Puss,' but since you're upset, we'll talk about that some other time."

https://screenrant.com/once-upon-time-hollywood-movie-soundtrack-songs/

lol well the headline literally sums it up. dunno why but i was hoping for something a little more in-depth/insightful than just “here are the songs & when they happened in the movie”

I wrote this a few days ago, VG. Much of my ambivalence has to do with the soundtrack, so you won't agree with some (most?) of this.

http://heardjustwhatiseen.wordpress.com/2019/07/26/a-dragonfly-inside-a-jar/

Didn't catch that Clu Gulager was the bookstore clerk when Robbie goes in and asks for Tess of the d'Urbervilles (People you thought were...)

He has a plaque designating his preferred seat (near the back, right section, in from the aisle) at the New Beverly. When his wife died in 2003, he started going there most nights, and as of two years ago could be found hanging out and chatting about the films in the lobby with other patrons afterward.

(Tarantino didn't buy the building until 2007, and didn't take over programming until 2014, so Gulager's patronage of & association with the place isn't connected to Quentin.)

hard to miss the Maltese Falcon in that antique/book shop, did anybody spot anything else?

xpost clemenza— yeah i think we part ways pretty drastically on the soundtrack :) i like your writeup nonetheless though!

maybe I just need to write my own thoughts bcz i havent seen anyone go in the way i want them to

Do it! I'd love to read it

I'm sitting here furiously googling the difference between a flamethrower and a blowtorch because I've never heard of one of the latter than can shoot flames over ten feet

I think I can google up a photo that'll explain the difference between a blowtorch and a blowhard, if that's any help.

could really use all the help I could get

This is easily my favorite Tarantino since Jackie Brown. The ultimately illusory prospect of a "mature" Tarantino that JB hints at--which is probably due entirely to the source material--still makes me wistful for wasn't to be. But this one comes pretty close to that.

I didn't think the historical revisionism of IB was cathartic but somehow it is here. Maybe it's more personal? Maybe making it about one instance (albeit a culturally significant one) of tragedy rather than a world-historical tragedy makes it easier to swallow the sentiment? Possibly also because rather than feeling like "revenge" and nazi killin' this is more about preventing a tragedy from happening in the first place rather than avenging one that already happened?

Just read a Facebook post from a guy who wrote a recent book on Manson: Manson's second favourite band was the Moody Blues. Never knew that! Not the best choice, but far from the worst if the window is the late '60s.

I know some of you (all of you?) don't like the Red Letter Media guys, but they made an I think good observation that Tarantino is kind of the last auteur whose movies get wide theatrical releases and big audiences. Am I overlooking someone obvious?

Wrt the soundtrack I'd say he's using music in a slightly different way this time than he has before, which is to pin down a time & place. It seems as if he's using more diegetic music than ever before - much of what you hear is coming from the radio, TVs, record players, etc. And I guess that somewhat constricts his options, since, for example, he has to choose songs that would plausibly be on the radio, and so on.

XPS Karina Longworth touched on that in one of the You Must Remember This Manson eps, even pointing out lyrical similarities between his songs and ones by the Moodies.

Christopher Nolan but he's even more conservative and safe than QT

xxp

Tarantino is kind of the last auteur whose movies get wide theatrical releases and big audiences

Are Fincher & Nolan too mersh or something?

Wes Anderson movies routinely make healthy profits these days.

red letter media guys in being huge dumbasses shocker

Nolan and Fincher I think of mostly as technicians, but Wes Anderson is a pretty good example.

PTA hasn't been in multiplexes this century, and he's arguably the preeminent American auteur and his biggest success was There Will Be Blood with $76m worldwide. QT's highest gross, for Django Unchained, was $425m.

xp Wes Anderson also hasn't been in multiplexes since... Tenenbaums? Rushmore? Was he ever? Anyway, his highest gross is $100m for Grand Budapest Hotel.

frustration and wonky passion (C. Grisso/McCain) at 4:51 31 Jul 19
XPS Karina Longworth touched on that in one of the You Must Remember This Manson eps, even pointing out lyrical similarities between his songs and ones by the Moodies.

Nolan and Fincher are more than technicians, they're for sure auteurs imo, but both are a lot safer and more palatable than QT.
xp

I just mean that the last two Fincher movies were adaptations of big best seller beach reads, and while he made them his own, a lot of people could have made those movies.

xp Wes Anderson also hasn't been in multiplexes since... Tenenbaums? Rushmore? Was he ever? Anyway, his highest gross is $100m for Grand Budapest Hotel.

― flappy bird, Wednesday, July 31, 2019

I saw the dogs thing and The Grand Budapest at an AMC 245 or whatever

For sure. There's also Soderbergh, who imo is an auteur as well whether he's making Unsane or an Ocean's movie, but again it's a different breed. Fincher and Soderbergh work a lot more than QT and Nolan.

Even though Nolan did the Batman trilogy, he's the only solid peer auteur at the same level of QT - well, much higher actually, but he's far more selective and all of his movies are events.

xp I stand corrected. Makes sense- I'm shocked that Budapest is his highest grossing movie for some reason, figured it would be Tenenbaums

yeah I saw Isle Of Dogs at an AMC 10-screen

XP Tenenbaums still is, if you adjust for inflation.

don't adjust for inflation, smelly Marvel doods will come for you

I guess this is a definition of "auteur" that doesn't include Nancy Meyers.

ooh, good call!

or Katherine Bigelow (who I hate tbh)

Bigelow sure, but again, far more conservative and predictable than QT

Nancy Meyers is such a stretch, at least this century

lol, auteur in the same sentence as Nolan, going by them standards I'm Caravaggio, my dog is Benny Hill Beryl Cook. The guy that directed Jossy's Giants is Rossellini.

Nolan's definitely got an identifiable style and consistent themes that pop up in his movies, that's enough to qualify imo (regardless of the quality of his output)

Yeah my point being that QT is the most 'radical' and original auteur in multiplexes in comparison to his very few peers - this is not good.

also? Interstellar was sick