PMs change and lol we're all gonna die (but brexit will never end)

otm. really cheered me up. corbyn, mcdonnell and others being on their A game with this sort of thing will matter for morale and also wider communication of policy thinking and approach in a way that won’t be communicated via media and can’t be communicated by standard press releases.

the sense of drift is i think as much as anything bcz (stubbornly! and perhaps correctly!)* lab comms still has has a low opjnion of the value and efficacy of first response (and is somewhat ideologically leery of it)

me upthread, now being made a fool of :) i too hope they keep this up

The labour candidate to face bojo actually tweeted about Jews being cheap and 9/11 being an inside job?

...as a teenager? He’s done a lot more than simply apologise - gone on educational trips to Auschwitz, etc and worked hard to put those tweets behind him.

that's great but the tweets should've been deleted

Agree totally!

• Standing aside in the upcoming by-election to hand Green votes to the pro-austerity Lib-Dems.

• Lucas warmly welcoming pro-austerity, pro-fracking, anti-worker Swinson the other day.

• Jenny Jones begging for a Green/Lib-Dem pact just today.

It's all very off putting.

— Another Angry Voice (@Angry_Voice) July 30, 2019

those lovely Greens showing their true colours...

Chartreuse?

the international colour of LibDems in disguise? What colour represents vomit?

Deleting offensive tweets is kinda silly to me. Better to own them in perpetuity and showcase the possibility of growth

xxp
mind you that awesome carrier bag charge bill (at the cost of taking motability off how many disabled ppl?) is definitely making a big impact on the plastic levels in the oceans and wasn't bs gestural politics at their worst at all. So I can understand why Caroline and the Greens would happily work with Swinson.

It used to be a Lib Dem seat and they’re still the second polling party. Makes sense for Greens to stand aside.

and yeah Lucas can't be blamed for one of theirs calling for a LibDem coalition, but to me they will always be much closer to the LibDems then they will admit, I will be proved correct over time capn save a Green!

whose to say those green votes won't all go to the LibDems?

not really a challop: in a lib dem/con marginal, voting labour is stupid and wrong (unless they're close enough to flip it)

I didn't realise it was in a libdem/con marginal, but that's twitter for you! Feeding my prejudices!

the way lib dems are looking atm I'm not sure they count as 'not tory' enough to vote for on tactical grounds

years of being the party of christian homophobia and austerity hasn't done their nice image much good.

bitter pill to swallow but despite disliking them fairly intensely i'd be forced to vote for them if they were the only statistical alternative to a tory mp. this is the time for tactics, not principles

fortunately i live in a safe labour seat, which means i can vote green with impunity ;)

imago...otm?

I think considering they are a tory proxy coalition in waiting- tactically voting for them is futile.

they surely wouldn't ally themselves with the tories as they are now (yes, as they have always been, but 'optics' idk)

wanna bet?

Disliking them 'fairly intensely' not enough, must be with the intensity of a thousand suns.

They would ally themselves with the Tories in a heartbeat.

risk of coalition is real and quite a few lib dem mps have atrocious voting records

yep, the only coalition Swinson has categorically ruled out is a Labour one

not in any way a fan of lib dems, but pretty sure whatever individuals are in charge, they have been given a huge shock in last 5 years and have serious incentives not to be seen to be working with the tories again for the foreseeable future

mind you that awesome carrier bag charge bill (at the cost of taking motability off how many disabled ppl?) is definitely making a big impact on the plastic levels in the oceans and wasn't bs gestural politics at their worst at all.

Don't really see what connects disabled people's motability and plastic bag taxes, Calzino, but yes, the majority of the plastic waste in the oceans is generated by the fishing industry.

They would ally themselves with the Tories in a heartbeat.

How would it work though? The Lib Dems being so anti-Brexit and the Tories all wanting a Brexit of some kind or another?

You are presuming these people actually have ethics, they'd justify by saying they had to prevent a marxist getting into no 10.

Jettisoning strongly held principles has never stopped them before. I can imagine the scenario, post-Brexit, for the good of the country, we can be a moderating force etc, the same shite they came out with before.

xxp, referring to this (original tweet now deleted)

https://www.socialistparty.org.uk/pic/medium/23/23957.jpg

Yes, Corbyn and McDonnell are the real enemy.

Charlie is a long time dead.

what principles and incentives would come into play if the lib dems were offered a second ref to go into coalition w the tories

no principles, just massive negative incentives

if they saw that despite the most heinous shit they cld still get back into govt then i'm not clear what the incentives wld be

being a junior partner in a coalition is supposed to be a stepping stone to actually winning, they have found out that it's actually a step off a cliff, they have had their faces rubbed in this point quite effectively

still better to have one foot in the game rather than being a nothing party again? these are pols, they love playing the game even if it does betray their own voters or could be damaging for their party.

if they get into coalition again then the cliff clearly is not so important. the combination of the desperation that comes with knowing they are a generation or more off winning a GE and their becoming almost a single issue party makes them p dangerous

come back Charlie, all is forgiven. I swear I take back anything unkind I ever said about him 10 years ago, he seems like a giant next to these minnows.

but yes, the majority of the plastic waste in the oceans is generated by the fishing industry.

A pedant writes: I believe it's actually the largest percentage of plastic waste (46%). The other 54% is those blue plastic bags that market traders try and foist on you. Those fuckers take 1000 years to rot (and the plastic bags even longer, boom!).

still better to have one foot in the game rather than being a nothing party again?

but from what I can tell right now the only reason any fucker would vote LibDem right now is to stop brexit, or at least I can't imagine many voting LibDem and being ok with that not happening - not saying the party wouldn't be short sighted enough to go for it anyway but it feels super stupid on a tactical level, principles needn't come into it

it seems a very bad move for the one-issue stop brexit party to not rule out a coalition with the hard right no deal brexit party. fuck knows what goes on their minds.

xp
What is needed is a huge trebuchet with the power to catapult all our plastic garbage (+ zombie market traders + libdems) into space. or just ban the plastic ffs!

the hated Eurocrats of the EU were making progress on that very issue, of course

my experience of the plastic bags thing is that people now just treat the thicker bags-for-life as disposible (and, half the time, don't pay the 10p for them)

also, i've noticed sainsburys security staff now wear body cameras.

Apparently Shaved Garfield's profile needs reboosting again a week into a Johnson government how curious

On @BBCr4today tomorrow extended interview with #SteveBannon - recorded at border wall in New Mexico - we discuss the wall, @BorisJohnson, @realDonaldTrump language on race, 2020. pic.twitter.com/O1Inl9pfkm

— Jon Sopel (@BBCJonSopel) July 30, 2019

The ban on plastic straws has had no effect whatsoever except for victimising disabled people and giving various decision-makers the incorrect satisfaction that they are doing something to help the environment.

motherfucking OTM!