Quentin Tarantino's Manson murders movie

But are Leonardo DiCaprio movies "Leonardo DiCaprio movies" the way Tom Cruise movies are "Tom Cruise movies"? Or are they inherently interesting movies that happen to star Leonardo DiCaprio?

I saw Inception and The Wolf of Wall Street in theaters, and I go to about one movie a year, but DiCaprio was not the selling point for me in either case.

he is generally the main character in movies he stars in.

and gets top-billing.

But are Leonardo DiCaprio movies "Leonardo DiCaprio movies" the way Tom Cruise movies are "Tom Cruise movies"? Or are they inherently interesting movies that happen to star Leonardo DiCaprio?

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I dunno about "inherently interesting," but otherwise yes and yes

The Revanant grossed $150 million and won him an Oscar because it was a monster movie starring Scrunchy Face.

I can say after teaching a film class this summer that thanks to the interchangeability of MU stars (three different Peter Parkers in 15 years?) the men and women less than 25 don't give a shit about stars generally, BUT Brad Pitt and Scrunchy Face (and Meryl Streep!) are easily recognizable and have a "brand." For them, though, Pitt is like Paul Newman when we were kids: "old," "handsome," cool enough to watch in a movie.

Fair enough. Movies, even more than pop music, are an area where I am totally alienated from what normal people like and why.

It was fascinating.

A plot digression features Bruce Dern as a blind, wizened, weakened victim of his own lusts as well as of female opportunists, a Harvey Weinstein figure.

Armond will never change he will only get more despicable

Leonardo has rarely been the best thing about any movie he’s in though I admired his insane commitment to the role in The Revenant (which was pretty good) and he was fantastic in Wolf of Wall Street.

WoWS may be the only movie I legit enjoyed him in, yeah

certainly that may be the only scorsese movie he's in where I find he doesn't distract.

Can only think he must be very easy to work with/director-friendly, like they say about Cruise.

I thought this movie was a serious pleasure to watch - wonderful pacing and world-building. Really enjoyed how restrained and patiently meandering it was. I've always thought his movies were extremely heavy-handed and left little room to breathe, and this was refreshingly different. One thing I didn't like was the narration bookending the movie - it was jarring and bizarre to me.

also this movie is so ... fun? really lighthearted and often hilarious

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Nic Cage or Tom Cruise

This would be a wacky alternative cast for this movie.

Josh's posts above are more or less in line with my own reaction. Setting the last half-hour to one side, the rest is not bad and not silly, and I could pick out a few scenes I liked. To go along with that, many other scenes that are weirdly flat. The biggest surprise for me--should have been a lay-up--was how lazy the soundtrack is.

"Patiently meandering"--if you were to take a half-full view toward it, that's exactly what I meant by weirdly flat. It'll just depend how you feel about the pacing.

lol sorta disappointed to find out the wikipedia plot spoilers upthread were false

Wait what were the false spoilers? The ones I read match the updated synopsis iirc

nvm, tracked them down

Loved it

I liked a lot of scenes but this ended up being one of QT's worst IMO.

Qualified rave from David Edelstein:

http://www.vulture.com/2019/07/once-upon-a-time-in-hollywood-review-quentin-tarantino.html

"world-building" needs to go to hell

also what a steaming pile of hypocritical crap Wolf of Wall St was

He'll have Susan Atkins and Leslie Van Houten debating whether Green Acres or The Beverly Hillbillies is better.

― clemenza, Wednesday, July 12, 2017 9:16 AM (two years ago)

I think I was actually pretty close here when Tex Watson and Patricia Krenwinkel start comparing notes on Dalton.

I thought this review made a good point comparing this film to how Westerns treat history.

Good review. One line I'd take issue with: "Most of all, Once Upon a Time...in Hollywood is the first Tarantino film to feel like the product of an older director." I think that was a very big part of why Jackie Brown is so great--followed, unfortunately, by a retreat back into the safety of juvenalia. (Which I realize is also central to Tarantino at his best.)

I won't retract my misgivings stated above, but I should say how much I liked Brad Pitt, some combination of the character and the performance. He's especially great in the Spahn Ranch scene--so much so that I won't dwell too much on the fact that, in getting the Mansonite to fix his flat, he blithely hands over a rather lethal weapon. You just kind of go with that, I know.

liked a lot of this but the ending was dumb as hell.

i'll never get the ilx hate for Django. that's prob my favorite of his since JB. or at least tied w IB for that honor.

HAteful 8 is hot garbage tho

the ending was disappointing esp for the jarring return to Inglorious ultraviolence, the core parts of what I liked were the bittersweet bromance, Pitt's easy way, Leo struggling to be a good actually, him and the girl talking books, Tate watching herself at the movies, etc

Might have made a better two-parter, like Kill Bill.

Kill Bill would've been a better one parter

If this were my company, think I'd be keeping some extra stock on hand.

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Pitt's wardrobe throughout is amazing

Second Tarantino stunt person movie. Wonder what he thinks of The Stunt Man. My guess? A fan.

Pitt's most amiable performance. Clemenza is otm about the ranch sequence: he can finally move in character.

the shots of Tex riding the horse back to the ranch were pretty exhilarating. the entire ranch sequence is probably my favorite of the film and Bruce Dern was great.

really liked Bonnie the dog

I wish Pitt and Scrunchy Face had more sides that the dialogue would reveal.

One thing I wondered about--that I really could not formulate an answer for; I could see one extreme or the other--is how Sharon Tate's surviving family members would feel about this. I know they've been dutifully going to parole hearings for 50 years, and that they put out a book on Tate a few years ago.

I just read a small item in the paper that Tate's sister 1) really likes Margot Robbie's performance, and 2) was appreciative that Tarantino sought her out to talk about her sister (a first, she said).

I'm a little surprised (glad, but surprised) because, to me, the violence at the end, no matter in what context, would be another reminder.

yeah she was originally very against the movie and then after she met with him she changed her mind (presumably when she learned how he treats Tate's fate); she also gave him feedback on the script and loaned out her jewelry to Robbie.

One thing that puzzles me--and I can see where this would really upset people--is the way Tarantino basically stays clear of Manson himself. The normal explanation would be that he wants him to be an unseen, sinister presence, but in the one scene where he does get him in there, Manson is anything but. If the whole driving force of the film (this seems obvious) is that Tarantino hates how the murders put an end to a world, imagined or otherwise, that he loved, and that his rewrite is a form of revenge, it seems really strange that he essentially lets the guy most responsible for it all off the hook.

having not seen it yet, maybe reducing him to an afterthought is the ultimate revenge?

Given how, well, to repeat the word, amiable the film is, the garishness of the third act violence struck me as incongruous.

I don't think understatement is one of Tarantino's strengths.

It is, as his best films demonstrate.

I think reducing Manson to an afterthought is a solid move, and tbh I think if anything this alternate universe version of what happened doesn’t so much avoid the truth but makes it more tragic in an oblique way. idk maybe similar to the unexpected emotions my wife had while watching Inglourious Basterds at the end.