PMs change and lol we're all gonna die (but brexit will never end)

the UK falling into a deep recession could be the biggest fuck-up of all.

Deep recession would bring calls from the Tories for stricter austerity, no? Because a sensible nation must not run itself into debt, but rather must be run like a {choose one: A) business B) household}.

think all guiding principles are out of the window now - it’s all about hanging onto power until such time as the situation rights itself

Xxp Yeah i think every day there's no election called his position probably weakens. Even just after the summer holidays might be leaving it too late.

That said, i've often wondered why tories don't try and have elections in autumn/winter, with fewer hours of daylight depressing turnout probably to their advantage

it is with a heavy heart that i must announce that lilico is at it again pic.twitter.com/fjmiOzziuw

— Cynical Bathtub (@cynical_bathtub) July 25, 2019

rly makes u think

been on it since lunchtime I assume

Inspiring

"coloured" is what my granny would say when she was trying to be pc and she was born in the 1920s. fucking lilico

another banner day for UK liberals showing their arses

The country is facing the gravest crisis since the war. The leader of the Opposition is speaking out ... about ...this. https://t.co/UORsQkis7B

— Gavin Esler (@gavinesler) July 25, 2019

The leader of the opposition responds to the Cabinet changes ... https://t.co/ClgtiNLmrF

— alan rusbridger (@arusbridger) July 24, 2019

Look, giving a shit about working class people is the old politics.

Lolico has a mixed race son so I think he he feels that vindicates him defending any archaic racist terms he feels like defending. it should be the other way round really, but he's a nasty piece of work and a complete moron.

Listening to Evan Davies and some Labour melt talking about how significant it was that Corbyn didn't attack Boris with the correct style of playground insults at PMQ today.

lol I’ve said this before but I kind of agree about the term poc, it’s maybe unfortunate that consensus landed on a term that legit sounds like someone was about to say “coloured ppl” and halfarsedly changed at the last second to a clunky hedging construction because that’s what they think political correctness is

Fuck you Esler, you Edinburgh cunt.

I was just thinking that Chloe Westley was the one name I was surprised not to see!

the heat really got to us on that day when Lolico made us think.

Fuck Evan Davies as well the lame tory prick and corporate arselicker. Earlier he had someone from big aircraft manufacturing saying how great it is that planes are always nearly full these days thus making them much greener and he so weakly challenged the cunt on this transparent hogwash that he might as well not bothered. And then of course his earnest concern trolling about Corbyn not being good at insulting Boris. ffs bring back Eddie Mair to pm.

"People of colour" places the primary emphasis on their being people, while "coloured people" puts the primary emphasis on their color.

Am bizarrely cheered by Francois on Newsnight. They’re going to continue to be headbangers for No Deal, so the maths is never going to work out.

And even if they win the next election I’m not sure how that’s going to help - unless they rout every Remain Tory (seems unlikely) we could be back here again soon. Only thing that might do is getting enough seats to cut the DUP out and then shafting N Ireland, I suppose.

it's absolutely delicious that british tories and northern irish unionists are engineering a united ireland. only upside from brexit that i can see

Brussels has roundly rebuffed Boris Johnson after he laid down tough conditions for the new Brexit deal he hopes to strike over the summer.

Speaking to the House of Commons for the first time as prime minister on Thursday, Johnson reiterated his campaign pledge of ditching the Irish backstop and promised to ramp up preparations for a no-deal Brexit immediately.

“I would prefer us to leave the EU with a deal,” he said. “I would much prefer it. I believe that it is possible even at this late stage, and I will work flat-out to make it happen.

“But certain things need to be clear: the withdrawal agreement negotiated by my predecessor has been three times rejected by this house; its terms are unacceptable to this parliament and to this country.”
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In a phone call later in the day, the European commission president, Jean-Claude Juncker, signalled the EU27’s determination to stick with the deal negotiated with Theresa May’s government – which includes the backstop.

“President Juncker listened to what Prime Minister Johnson had to say, reiterating the EU’s position that the withdrawal agreement is the best and only agreement possible – in line with the European council guidelines,” a commission spokesperson said.

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Steve "brexit Hardman" Baker is even too damn tough and uncompromising for this shower of right wing bastardos. Or perhaps he knows this ship isn't seaworthy and will sink like a rock.

as suggested upthread already the plan at this point isn't to get a new deal really

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oops just read about his butthurtness at not getting an important cabinet post. lol RIP brexit hardman.

as suggested upthread already the plan at this point isn't to get a new deal really

yeah of course - this elaborate kabuki from the uk side is fucking infuriating though

also i just enjoy posting shockedpikachu.png

i v much enjoy shocked pikachu in any context yeah

Not sure how nastier the press can be - not as if they were giving him a free pass last time. But their decline has also been a factor in that election, and that hasn't moved.

Their decline has arguably increased, but at the same time they can do a lot worse than 'Stick Him In The Cor-Bin' - and indeed they did to Ed Miliband, who they genuinely believed could become PM. They didn't see Corbyn as a serious threat in 2017 but they will this time, especially with their man in Number 10.

Thought they really went for it after his speech post-Manchester attacks. And looking at that JohnSUN headline today is basically an inverse of CorBIN lol. One hopes it has the same level of impact.

only upside from brexit that i can see

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Scotland also gone too, my friend. Lower rents. Capital flight, maybe? Very de-growth policies here.

Listening to Evan Davies and some Labour melt talking about how significant it was that Corbyn didn't attack Boris with the correct style of playground insults at PMQ today.

I tht Corbyn was p. good and reinvigorated at PMQs y/day but then Boris just went "lol didn't notice a question wifflewaffle Venezuela" or something (not sure, had to turn it off as soon as Boris started tbh) and was immediately crowned the winner by our eight billion horrible pandering commentators who will later be very surprised when something happens and Boris is Officially Bad and say "why didn't anyone say anything sooner?!" so fuck everything.

Also I am the whiniest Brexit-bad remoaniac melt ever (at least on ILX) and still all these fucking FBPEers being outraged every time Corbyn says anything about anything that isn't Brexit can get in the bin.

The right playing divide and conquer pretty nicely, setting everyone else against each other as they order up their microtargeted Facebook ads to be all things to all people. The mixed messaging may not work quite as well at a GE as in a referendum, but it still might not need to in a country with FPTP and a press with 0 interest in holding these people to account.

"Also I am the whiniest Brexit-bad remoaniac melt ever (at least on ILX)"

For the record you are far from that.

his attack on Boris was quite pointed and correct. If leadership is all about zingers in the playground then too bad because hardly anybody is watching this crap anyway!

yeah spacey get in the queue

that spacey queue in full

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I think that a Labour government led by Corbyn is the strongest bulwark the UK has against a slide into ultra-nationalist politics.

I also think for that to be the case at the next election (which might be much sooner than anticipated), certain issues need addressing urgently.

— Ash Sarkar (@AyoCaesar) July 25, 2019

This sums my feelings up reasonably well. I think focusing on FBPE types underestimates the growing sense of frustration and unease among Momentum types. Shifting into election mode as soon as possible would probably solve that, if only to end this seemingly endless torturous deadlock.

Cummings's referendum strategy = there are a lot of sponge-brained non-voters who can be flattered/cajoled into believing that a vote on one specific issue will be their affirmation against the void

i don't think that plays out the same at a GE, and i think his strategy will be closer to "how can we max out the hateful would-be fascist vote" and relying on liberals to do their traditional job of supporting fascism on the down low

it's gonna be absolutely "fun" to see how this works out

They include building high-performing teams, using forecasting tournaments, conducting “pre-mortems”, creating “red teams”, harnessing new data-visualisation techniques, utilising computational models and drawing on some recent thinking about mega-projects.

some of Cummings ideas to reform Whitehall sounds like more barmy shit that works just gr8 in US big tech.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jul/25/dominic-cummings-no-10-nasa-control-centre-adviser-civil-service

lol we're al..

The fashtops got spooked by Corbyn's chances after the manifestos so yeah they did go hard but he was still the 'Jezter'. This time they will probably paint him more as too stern and dictatory (ie project onto him what backfired for May).

i think alongside the "lunatic Trot who will sell out our nation and usher in a socialist dictatorship" you're gonna get a lot of "confused old duffer unfit to match wits with super-smart 2010s kid BJ" stuff

Yeah the press might as well have been writing Miliband’s name with echoes around it for the worst parts of that campaign.

The best route for Labour is to double down on the stuff that worked last time, win the social media election and have crystal clear policy positions. It's going to be tougher with Boris lying left right and centre and pledging to throw money at things that are more popular than "we'll sell your house from under you to pay for your care in old age". But he's also more toxic than even May was and the LibDems might yet end up doing Labour a favour by eroding into the soft Tory base.

xxp this doesn’t work well with reality, people might not like Corbyn but he is very much a certain type of weird & that doesn’t go along with what they’re trying to project onto him. He was very chill during GE17 campaigning apart from the end of the Neil interview.

Also there are very few Cabinet ministers who can be trusted not to completely shit the bed during an election campaign.

IIRC when election broadcast regs kicked in, people got a more rounded picture of Corbyn. The past two years there’s been endless chipping away at that, which is bad for left morale. I’m never shocked now by the amount of weird instant lines taken by Westminster bubble types that are wrong or unfair, which get all over the news before being quietly walked back to reflect actual facts.

Last I checked, Dominic Cumming was still held in contempt of Parliament so how is it he gets a Palace of Westminster pass?

nothing matters anymore iirc

Can't wait for the election so that Sarkar and young Momentum members can stop asking for a fucking babysitter. Yes uncle Corbyn will be there at a rally near you soon!

Most of the 'new' government are also in contempt so it's...fine

welp

Nancy Pelosi, the speaker of the US House of Representatives, has restated her view that congress will not pass a UK-US trade deal if Boris Johnson’s government puts the open border between Ireland and Northern Ireland at risk, the Irish Times reports. Pelosi said:

"We made it clear in our conversations with senior members of the Conservative party earlier this year that there should be no return to a hard border on the island. That position has not changed. Any trade deal between the US and Great Britain would have to be cognisant of that."