Seizing back control: The ILX lol brexit is how we're all gonna die thread.

well yes but i was interested to see if he had at least attempted to explain why.

a specific bone of contention seems to have been a somewhat casually expressed comparison in mechanics of response wrt clinton’s email server and labour’s anti-semitism. swl should have been more careful possibly, but that can be corrected editorially. rather than just removed.

honestly this feels like it was 300 years ago :|

Four years to the day since Labour whipped MPs to abstain on the welfare bill, a disgraceful decision that showed how foolish triangulation was electorally, and how much harm it caused the poorest: https://t.co/5eCtDEwprU

— Dawn Foster (@DawnHFoster) July 20, 2019

hate 'em or really fucking hate 'em I say. Another companion piece to this one was them jetting Loyd Webber in from New York to vote for a cutting working tax credits bill in the Lords... happy brexit free days!

When I see blairite scum.. I see something much worse than tories.

I never have felt such hatred for politicians as I did at that moment.

for some reason I didn't think Khan had voted against it, but I knew Thornberry had abstained - a lot of her voting record is dodgy.

lol Iain Wright voted against it as well.

Totally forgot that while interim leader in 2010, Harriet Harman also fucked up on letting Tories blame the recession on Labour/public spending.

that was always such a unconditionally false line of attack, and one so simple to challenge and debunk. I think one of the problems might have been weak leadership.

There was a Zoe Williams profile of Harman (her MP at the time) where Zoe suggested HH was not all that bright.

she was very bad, but you can't blame her for Miliband Labour being just as fainthearted against the same spurious crap in 2015.

"not all that bright" is one of the least offensive accusations you could direct at HH.

Harman and Hewitt were brilliant civil rights lawyers in their day.

Gloria De Piero: "..when I hear people being called right wing in the Labour Party I find it utterly offensive. We are all left wingers in this Party - that is why we joined the Labour Party"

ION: Kate Hoey in talks to become the first Brexit Party MP.

Reminds me of this classic Chris Leslie (RIP, I wanna run to u, etc) clip: https://youtu.be/Ylfnc7lviBc

it's corpses in mouths all the way down, kids

Meanwhile, this report is fucking hilarious (not surprising when you see who one of the authors is): https://www.gold.ac.uk/news/ideology-of-sectarian-far-left-report/

these cunts should be doing an internal report on why they inflicted so much talentless YBA dross on the world. I see Hirsh has very balanced views on Corbynism and isn't at all a sour Blairite. Tweeting some text that a friend of his apparently sent him saying Corbyn is Mel Gibson in a Corbyn mask. Very classy.

Tommy Robinson "decked" by a 70-year-old man on his first day in jail

"He is said to have tried to intimidate the pensioner who responded by dropping him with a single punch." https://t.co/4Ubp9LpKtw

— Josh Butler (@JoshButler) July 20, 2019

70-year-old man, thank you for your service

I don't even care if it is a made up tabloid story, for all the vile troglodytes it winds up it'll do for me.

Every now and then the prison-industrial complex accidentally metes out justice.

And yeah, I want to believe.

If the gossip in the papers today is accurate, the ‘woman to get one of the big four jobs’ is Patel at the Home Office, rather than Truss at no.11. That’s terrifying.

Michael ‘the Good Friday Agreement was a mortal stain’ Gove heading for Northern Ireland.

AS minisite seems like a good step: https://labour.org.uk/no-place-for-antisemitism

(xp) I'm sure I saw a headline today about Boris not being one to hold grudges - and also that he might be putting Gove in NI. Does not compute.

“Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer”

lol you do know that the person who said this was a FICTIONAL MAFIA BOSS and that the other pithy thing he said (not abt family) was "Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in"

who do you think the "they" refers to in the second quote?

The DUP?

Michael Corleone:I saw a strange thing today. A rebel was being arrested by the military police. And rather than be taken alive he exploded a grenade he had hidden in his jacket.He killed himself and took a captain of the command with him. Now, soldiers are paid to fight; the rebels aren't
Hyman Roth: What does that tell you?
Michael Corleone: They could win

Sil does a very funny ham reading of that line in The Sorpranos. And then some people out there make daft gangster quote memes attributing that line to his character. Just saying!

I really hope that gossip is wrong because Patel at the Home Office and Gove at Northern Ireland would be two of the most disastrous decisions Johnson could make, as bad or worse than some of the appointments May made at the start of her Premiership.

Thinking back to the other day's discussion about leadership, and the extent to which the personality and judgement of the incoming PM matters, the decisions that will be announced over the next week or so are one reason why it does, no matter how much we might want it to be otherwise.

Caveat - the media is disproportionately focused on vacuous Westminster theatre at the expense of what happens at local/street level, which is one reason why they got the 2017 election badly wrong. Leaders in general gain their authority or lack of it from movements and wider social or historical forces, and Johnson is being propelled to Number 10 by forces that are fucking deranged and detached from reality and would probably have put someone like him in power regardless. The forces opposed to him are one reason why he probably won't stay there for very long.

Quite possibly we would have ended up with Brexit anyway eventually, but ultimately we're in this very particular situation now because of bad decisions made by a handful of stupid, hubristic or complacent individuals, and what Johnson himself chooses to do from here on matters. The only hope is that his government is highly unlikely to last very long and is probably going to be too repellent to enough of the electorate to prevent it winning a majority.

Michael ‘the Good Friday Agreement was a mortal stain’ Gove heading for Northern Ireland.

oh god, I thought you were joking.

I have a PDF of his anti-GFA tract somewhere. I didn't make it very far through it tbh but my eyebrows were raised even through the preamble.

that was a good post btw Matt, thanks

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jul/20/britain-lured-into-deadly-trap-on-iran-by-trump-hawk-john-bolton

If correct, this should surprise nobody.

it all sounds so very predictable and plausible.

is bernal in the thomas group?

uhhhh.... wrong thread

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— jewdⒶs // יידהודה (@jewdas) July 21, 2019

"Thinking back to the other day's discussion about leadership, and the extent to which the personality and judgement of the incoming PM matters, the decisions that will be announced over the next week or so are one reason why it does, no matter how much we might want it to be otherwise."

As you say he might be in for a short term. How is Gove in NI worse than a minister who said they had no clue about the politics over there? This isn't about wishing it otherwise.

You could argue Hunt's ability to concentrate on the task at hand could be worse too.

they could literally put a sandbag in a orange high-vis in Brady's place and it would make little to no difference.

not true

it would be a noticeable improvement

Sandbag in a high-res vest >>>>>> some clueless Tory dumped in at last minute >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a guy who wrote a 58-page document criticising the Good Friday agreement, compared it to the appeasement of the Nazis and claimed that the dilution of British military presence was "the real cause of conflict in Northern Ireland".

Even if he sat at his desk and did absolutely nothing the decision alone would be deliberately inflammatory at a time when the Irish border is the big obstacle for Brexiters.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jul/20/britain-lured-into-deadly-trap-on-iran-by-trump-hawk-john-bolton

If correct, this should surprise nobody.

― ShariVari, Sunday, 21 July 2019 13:43 (four hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

Completely agree. With these incidents 'cui bono' is always the best principle one which to be working, and it only leads you to the conclusions of that piece.

Re: NI. Gove would need to be motivated to do something that counts. Otherwise that's all huffing and puffing.

Over the last few years we've seen a lot of destructive, inflammatory rhetoric. Priti Patel talked about food shortages in Ireland. We've yet to see anything.

Sure he is motivated but I doubt he knows what to do to bring a hard Brexit that brings no chaos to NI or the Tories.

There's not much point arguing about it until it happens but, at best, it would be a 'fuck you' signal not just to Northern Ireland but also to the EU.

I think he might have a bigger job lined up for Gove in any case.

Isn’t Priti Patel the one who got sacked for freestyling Israel policy?

I mean he's given enough fuck you signals as it is but hey.

gauke and hammond announce they will quit if boris becomes PM

uhhhhhh guys you’re getting fired anyway

This is like when shit footballers retire from the national team