2020 Democratic presidential primary

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/07/new-republic-drops-out-climate-forum-offensive-pete-buttigieg.html

If you want to accept gay people, and not just because it makes you feel better about yourself, you have to accept that they may do things that you find grotesque but that make them no less acceptable and no less human. With Peck, TNR exposed the wider culture to a facet of gay culture with particularly rough edges and when people found it unsightly, they did their best to make it unseen. That the removal of writing that was not found to be plagiarized or factually inaccurate didn’t cause a tenth of the controversy as Peck’s opinion was telling in itself. We only like well-behaved gay men in these refined online quarters, apparently. The rest can go to hell.

https://jezebel.com/define-homophobic-1836367531

Rich included two long equivocating paragraphs in the middle that present exactly what's wrong with the piece.

I'm aware that there are things wrong with it.

ftr I read the piece when it was published, agreed with some of it, shook my head at some of it, and forgot about it. I understand TNR's craven reasons for pulling it all too well.

.... disagree p profoundly with rich but whatever

the piece should've gotten the axe the minute an editor read "gay equivalent of uncle tom"

Dale Peck's attack on Mayor Pete conjured memories of my youth, when literary/political assaults were common, no apologies were given, and readers either rolled with it or moved on to something else. Hypersensitivity is now gospel, which in the degraded age of Trump is "ironic." https://t.co/Fn4owShIbP

— Dennis Perrin (@DennisThePerrin) July 13, 2019

I started reading it, remembered that Dale Peck is a shitty writer and that I don't care about Pete Buttigeig anyway, and bailed about 1/4 of the way in.

That typically imbecilic Perrin tweet has me convinced Cintra Wilson will start slithering around again any day now.

I guess Reps. Omar, Pressly, Tlaib, and AOC should have "rolled with it and moved on to something else" in response to Trump's recent tweets then, as opposed to succumbing to "hypersensitivity"

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I’ve been trying for hours to write a fancy adult-person statement responding to the fact that my presidential climate forum got cancelled because of TNR’s wildly offensive mayor Pete piece. And I’m just can’t do it. I’m still so devastated.
6:28 AM - 15 Jul 2019

It's one thing to correctly attack TNR for cowardice, another to allude to the Golden Age of Gore Vidal and Wilfrid Sheed and Elizabeth Hardwick as if the mere fact that it's not nice to Buttigieg qualifies it as a worthy successor.

otm. the "mary pete" piece was simply poorly written and conceived; yoking it to anti-pc speaking-truth-to-power talking points doesn't make it any less lame

incredibly rich to describe that piece as a "literary/political assault". "hypersensitivity is now gospel" is some "i wrote something dumb and experienced consequences, whatever happened to free speech"

DP seems to be talking about the press, u see xxxxp

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whats amazing is how actually motherfucking stupid so many of you are

morbs, throwing a tantrum like this definitely proves you're smart and right

how dare a free press be OFFENSIVE

get offensive, stay offended. it usta be called adulthood.

In the old days the New Republic would have had to recall all the magazines and rip the offending pages out of each copy

did TNR drop your article too, morbs

here's the thing: "devastating" takedowns of political touchstones and cultural sacred cows, whether as essays or reviews, still get published all the time...and the writers get paid less than Vidal did.

i definitely think that saying that mayor pete would be a bad president because he'd be too busy daydreaming about dick is a cool thing to write

think about it, he can get any dick he wants

here's an unedited pull-quote (no pun intended); gore vidal this ain't

Every move is simultaneously cynical and morally oblivious. They’re the steps one takes not to learn about the world but to become a marketable political candidate (hmmm, what’s a good counter to the whole sleeps-with-men thing? I know: military service!) (side benefit: you’re surrounded by hot guys!)

jim otm, Peck's dimestore psychoanalysis was the main reason that piece was indefensible

anyway Peck will forever be the aggro simpleton who thought "Jessa Crisp-Tits" was a devastating insult

Now that'we're on the subject, I couldn't stand Jeremy Peters' Sunday NYT piece about Buttigieg, who presents himself as a replicant in thrall to his ambitions: a guy who would focus group his choice for a husband.

I do have to admit that even by the standards of this hacky screenplay we call reality in 2019, his name being Chasten is a bit on the nose.

His husband's name reflects his chastened attitude toward his sexuality don't you see

the “historic” home, the “tasteful” decor (no more than one nude photograph of a muscular torso per room; statuary only if they’re fair copies of Greek or Roman originals), the two- or four- or six-pack depending on how often you can get to the gym and how much you hate yourself, the theatre (always spelled with an -re) subscription, the opera subscription, the ballet subscription, the book club, the AKC-certified toy dog with at least one charming neurosis and/or dietary tic, the winter vacation to someplace “tropical,” the summer vacation to someplace “cultural,” the specialty kitchen appliances—you just have to get a sous vide machine, it changed our life! Sorry, boys, that’s not a life, it’s something you buy from a catalog.

not sure i'd ascribe divinity, but otfm

Not at all.

Maybe I'm just mad because I don't have my pug yet to complete the starter kit.

No butt pug?

do i understand this correctly: for a long time homosexuality was stigmatized in our society (& in some parts still is). the strategy to normalize it was to argue that it was normal (and lots of 'nature' / born this way arguments were made to make that case), but that in turn created a space for essentially "heteronormative" (homonormative?) homosexuality and ppl who believe it should be associated w/ radical politics don't like that?

that Perrin/Morbs defense of the Peck piece for TNR was skewered reasonably well by a few of the comments on the corresponding Jezebel article: it's not that the piece is offensive, it's that Peck's cultural view is firmly rooted in a different time period

it's not that it's outright wrong, it's that it's dropped on to the page from somewhere in the early 1990s and a lot of the points don't land because they don't map to the world of 2019

Biden warns the @AARP audience that under Medicare for All: "Medicare as you know it goes away. It's gone."

Adds: "Dropping 300 million people on a new plan is a little risky, I think."

— Alice Miranda Ollstein (@AliceOllstein) July 15, 2019

the peck thing is not a free speech issue, for reasons I hope anyone who frequents this board understands

separately, rich is a good writer but can be incredibly thick at times, and this is a good example

xps love when the democratic frontrunner takes conservative talking points on the campaign trail to scare the olds

Xpost yes under the limited and legalistic view of free speech people on this board usually apply it was not a free speech issue but it sure is shitty to drop a piece for no real reason and allow it to be characterized as homophobic in the media

it sure is shitty to drop a piece for no real reason and allow it to be characterized as homophobic in the media

True. What TNR should have done was issue a statement reading, "We can't believe we published this shit; we apologize to everyone who read it, and will never allow a writer as shitty as Dale Peck to waste our readers' time like this again."

"P.S. It's not homophobic, so don't call it that. Call it what it is — shitty writing by an idiot."

Clever

neither I nor Perrin 'defended' the Peck piece (esp as I didn't nor will I read it)

back to Mordy's house w/ all of you, and fuck -normativity (which can be boiled down to "shopping")

enjoyed reading that article, but it definitely felt to me like it offered more insight into Dale Peck himself than Pete Buttigieg

It offered more insight into Gar than Pete Buttigieg.

DGAF bernie is his best mode imo

Here’s bernie asking him for the full quote pic.twitter.com/f9WGAhVqHC

— Progressive Middle-Eastern (@mahmoudkenny98) July 16, 2019

str8 fire

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