Seizing back control: The ILX lol brexit is how we're all gonna die thread.

It’s not Farage, it’s Richard Tice. *vom face emoji*

That's the Richard Tice who has been all over the media all week saying it would be a good idea to have a successful businessman appointed next ambassador to the US *hint hint*

And Trevor Phillips is just a trolling hasbeen these days.

Need clarification on what he has been tbh

Not been here for a week so catching up and its just mind-boggling that anyone (Matt in this case) thinks that Watson has "clearly something of substance that he is desperate to get out of the open" re: Labour's issues around Anti-semitism. I mean, he would surely have bought it out in the open by now if he had

OK to elaborate, he wants something out in the open but doesn't want to be the one to leak it himself - partly because it really would make his position untenable but mostly because there's more political capital in putting pressure on the party hierarchy to do it themselves.

Essentially all of these things can be true at once:

- That Labour has a problem with AS (perhaps a growing one) and that the party leadership has generally been dealing with it badly.
- That there are a load of red rose emoji dickheads on social media who are exacerbating the problem by attacking people who bring this up by spouting nonsense about Netanyahu or Israeli lobbbies. Whether these people are all card-carrying Labour members I personally doubt but I'm pretty sure they're not all bots either.
- That while there are also people in the party who are genuinely horrified by AS, there are also people who are not motivated purely by anti-racist principles who have a vested interest in keeping the row going.
- That these people are adding fuel to the conspiracy theory fire and keeping the whole clusterfuck spinning.

Andrew Rawnsley's column today is absolutely maddening, specifically this bit:

At the apex of the hierarchy is the first-order principle, a belief so important to a politician that he or she will even quit their party to uphold their convictions. Opposing racism is – or certainly ought to be – a first-order principle for any member of the Labour party. If the Labour party is about anything, it surely has to be about opposing racism in all its manifestations. And if it can’t be relied on to do that, then it is no longer the Labour party.

I mean it isn't difficult at all to find plenty of examples of pre-2015 Labour failing to oppose racism in all its forms and in several cases actively pandering to it or encouraging it. It doesn't actually benefit anyone - least of all victims of racism - to pretend otherwise.

I'd like to see a Panorama on the pre-2015 history of Labour AS/Racism - there would be enough material to make it a series.

There was a letter of Jewish Support For Chris Williamson published in the Guardian - for a bit.

https://www.theguardian.com/info/2019/jul/09/removed-article

As I keep pointing out, Labour’s Jewish vote plummeted in 2014 after Ed Miliband made recognition of Palestinian entitlement to statehood a Labour policy. And when EM and his father were the victims of AS, none of the figures we see raising the AS issue as endemic in “Jeremy Corbyn’s Labour” rose to defend the Miliband family except... Jeremy Corbyn?

I'd actually go far as to say that takes like that Rawnsley one - and anyone overlooking or explaining away things like the Woolas leaflet - are also ways in which institutional racism sustains and perpetrates itself. 'That stuff before, it was just tactical, it wasn't really racism'.

Anyone see anything dodgy about this tweet singling out two Jewish men for coming from privileged backgrounds and helping to “control” Jeremy Corbyn?

Momentum have attacked a “broken political system dominated by posh men from expensive private schools”. The same Momentum created by Jon Lansman (Highgate), James Schneider (Dragon, Winchester, St Paul's) who help Seumas Milne (Winchester) control Jeremy Corbyn (Castle House)

— Matt Forde (@mattforde) July 14, 2019

Tbf they would be probably so much more respectful to leftwingers from bona-fide council estate backgrounds.

But that master of puppets meme definitely shows they are committed against antisemitism.

Just posting this here for next time some little Englander is letting on Leo is some sort of Brit-bashing nationalist

It’s a wonderful feeling to see an Irishman and Dubliner @Eoin16 lifting the Cricket World Cup. A proud day for all of us. Congratulations Eoin Morgan and England. Our debut test encounter awaits.

— Leo Varadkar (@LeoVaradkar) July 14, 2019

lol that is at least 40% a sly dig

OK to elaborate, he wants something out in the open but doesn't want to be the one to leak it himself - partly because it really would make his position untenable but mostly because there's more political capital in putting pressure on the party hierarchy to do it themselves.

Matt what makes you think Watson wants something out in the open - I guess if its just a hunch...was wondering where this was coming from.

"and doesn't want to leak it himself" implies he has something explosive in a cupboard somewhere. Like we know The Guardian probably has that tape of Boris having an argument with his partner somewhere - but that's because of the level of reporting we have seen from them on this, and the reaction of the right-wing press to it.

If we had something don't we think he could fairly safely arrange this to be leaked with little chance of being found out? ILX consensus of "not the brightest" would imply he would try it...when the other bright one - Gavin Williamson - leaked the Huawei business Theresa May had the full machinery of the civil service and other services to find out who did it - don't think that's available to an internal Labour Party dispute.

Well done @EnglandCricket! #CWC19Final #ENGvsNZ pic.twitter.com/D3aGf1eTU2

— Theresa May (@theresa_may) July 14, 2019

Good morning!

tbf cricket is the main sport of the tories.

cricket nazis!

rugby union m8

https://blackwells.co.uk/jacket/l/9780822355632.jpg

killing the poor and the disabled is the main sport of the tories iirc

Cricket culture is so intrinsically tory as well. When May showed up in my neck of the woods the only place she wouldn't get bricks thrown at her was the local cricket club

xp it really isn’t, Leo loves the Brits
https://youtu.be/6OdEJyMywU4

That's Yorkshire cricket culture tbf xp

Lol truth

where i live if you talked about Rugby Union in the local chippy queue on a friday they'd impolitely ask you to leave, just as much as if you'd declared yourself a remainer! such talk is only allowed on wednesdays of course!

went off to GiS "the most dangerous game" images and became dangerously mesmerised

https://i2.wp.com/moviessilently.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/the-most-dangerous-game-1932.jpg

obviously in countries that care about rugby union too much (wales, nz) it's a universal thing but really it's a shame these otherwise pleasant nations have latched onto a game designed as trench warfare cosplay for poshos

I once suggested a no-deal brexit is going to bad whilst talking to Paul the chippy owner and a huge hush came over the whole shop and you could hear a pin drop. And Karen his rugby league loving assistant told me I'd reading too many scare stories. Never brought up the subject since, but feel like my standing in the local chippy has been greatly diminished!

they just need to be reasoned with and to listen to dunty and dl's remaniacs podcast!

This might well be the context to Leo, in fairness:

Er, the England Cricket team is captained by an Irishman. Not to mention:

- Batting led by an immigrant
- Fastest bowler an immigrant
- Leading all-rounder an immigrant
- Main spinner son of an immigrant

Awesome, every one of them 👏🏏 https://t.co/8XZph6ldZS

— Rachel Clarke (@doctor_oxford) July 14, 2019

If we had something don't we think he could fairly safely arrange this to be leaked with little chance of being found out? ILX consensus of "not the brightest" would imply he would try it.

After the . Mosley reveal from Matt DC i am beginning to move away from "not the brightest" and towards" "has been bought off"

xp this is a daft point and that’s sick-making 2012 opening ceremony shite

If that's to me then I might need a bit of expansion there?

I regret to announce a new party (The Radical Party) has sent their manifesto to all MPs, which include proposals to let people become Councillors for life, and to lower the age of consent to 15. pic.twitter.com/d4gt4KvBbh

— Ben Gartside (@BenGartside) July 15, 2019

We know immigrants contribute to all areas of English life. Theresa May is very comfortable with celebrating the cricket WC victory and carrying on bashing migrants with her policies.

Hiiiiii, no dig on MDC/ignoring female contributions is it? I think you’ll find I’m the one who started bringing up the Mosley/Watson reminders.

Link for reference: Seizing back control: The ILX lol brexit is how we're all gonna die thread.

Comrade alphabet otm. It also makes me uncomfortable because everyone knows immigrants can be exceptional or contribute or whatever - but it’s up there with saying “EU citizens contribute more to the exchequer than natives.” It’s the transactional nature of it.

And also, the other side of that stick is certain minority groups being targeted for “contributing” whatever isn’t enough to be accepted in this country.

Immigrants come in two sizes: good and bad. As long as they continually toil to prove their worth, they're welcome to stick around. Natives – especially those of the paler variety – are all good, though. Simple stuff, really.

as they are talented or hardworking they've got nothing to worry about.. apart from getting deported or battered to death in the street.

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Also if you think that's racist then you are the true racist. Obviously.

Wait wait hold on is this the point where the common enemy is stet? I've just checked on my phone and ILX is only showing the Rachel Clarke tweet, without the context that she's slapping down Jacob Rees-Mogg's "we clearly don't need Europe to win"

I completely agree about praising the 'exceptional' immigrants sans context.

And anyway anyway the JRM/RC 1-2 is what I was suggesting as the context for Leo's tweet.

I will stop saying context now (I will never)

Hiiiiii, no dig on MDC/ignoring female contributions is it? I think you’ll find I’m the one who started bringing up the Mosley/Watson reminders.

― suzy,

Sorry Suzy! I had read that post too but didn't clock at the time who it was referring to, didn't know anything about the Mosley connection before

NP AF, I am perfectly calm and shoneen-bashing as I always do (this is directed at Leo).

And if you can't trace your lineage back to Æthelwulf (Cerdic is preferable, however), your trial period isn't over yet.

... EU immigrants both.

Wait wait hold on is this the point where the common enemy is stet? I've just checked on my phone and ILX is only showing the Rachel Clarke tweet, without the context that she's slapping down Jacob Rees-Mogg's "we clearly don't need Europe to win"

tbf German and French cricketers aren't the best. The Dutch are not bad though.

I've just checked on my phone and ILX is only showing the Rachel Clarke tweet

It shows the context for me, which is what matters

Downing Street: Theresa May’s view is the language used to refer to these congresswomen by Donald Trump was completely unacceptable @theresa_may https://t.co/y4mfmvp5Bu

— Nicholas Watt (@nicholaswatt) July 15, 2019

The language itself is unacceptable. Whether that also applies to its signification remains to be seen.