Seizing back control: The ILX lol brexit is how we're all gonna die thread.

Guys... I think I've hit the motherlode... pic.twitter.com/I8iGT0JLy6

— Greggs Truther (@invisibleste) July 13, 2019

Not been here for a week so catching up and its just mind-boggling that anyone (Matt in this case) thinks that Watson has "clearly something of substance that he is desperate to get out of the open" re: Labour's issues around Anti-semitism. I mean, he would surely have bought it out in the open by now if he had it?

Not been here for a week so catching up and its just mind-boggling that anyone (Matt in this case) thinks that Watson has "clearly something of substance that he is desperate to get out of the open" re: Labour's issues around Anti-semitism. I mean, he would surely have bought it out in the open by now if he had it?

Didn't really get that one either. Though I could see the argument why he wouldn't yet have brought it into the open, as it makes more sense to continue the drip feed rather than releasing anything, but then no one has ever accused him of being exactly bright so who knows

idk, I think the man's ego and sense of self-importance would surely have him at the Observer offices working all week to prepare the hit piece.

I don't think he is that bright but he is an operator and has manoeuvered himself into a position to cause a fuck load of damage.

Has Watson replied to Formby's letter?

perhaps Watson's little run in with Murdoch in the past made him feel like he was some kind of heroic gritty conviction pol and this has stuck with him. He seems a bit puddled at the best of times, he reminds me of someone at school whose head used to turn puce when he was angry, but he'd never say anything.

That moment when McD threw Mao's little red book at Gideon at pmq, the look on Watson's face was fucking priceless.

Has Watson replied to Formby's letter?

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This seems highly unlikely. He might reference it in a "I won't rest until the scourge of anti-semitism is purged from our midst" kind of way but anything more than that doesn't seem plausible

one of the most hideous things to come out this Kim Darroch incident (well i didn't know) is that Oakeshott and Farage were an item. Stomach truly turned.

if it comes out in the investigation that he or his party were involved in the leak - that could do some damage.

Oh .. it's Tice she's in a relationship with, I read "Brexit Party chief" as Farage.

“Richard had nothing to do with the cables. He has never seen them, never handled them and was not involved in acquiring them.

“Tempting though it is to put two and two together to make 55, there is no link between him and the ambassador story.”

she would say that. She's filed a lawsuit against the Graun for their coverage on this as well - getting tasty is this!

It’s not Farage, it’s Richard Tice. *vom face emoji*

yeah that just dawned on me, still forgoing breakfast tho!

Ah, I see that’s been clarified - I started writing and broke off to answer my friend’s texts about rain delays to our whippet walk and brunch.

can only dream of of seeing Oakeshott getting banged up for breaching the official secrets act. But not sure it would greatly damage the Brexit party? idk and if it did then the tories would probably have more to gain than Labour from it.

Can someone who has not signed the OSA get convicted for violating it? Since Oakeshott’s already got form for betraying sources who then go to prison....

The "eurosceptic Philby" in Whitehall will be bricking it.

You don’t have to have signed the OSA to be bound by it & section 5 is the relevant one here I think.

Trevor Phillips - former head of the EHRC - is telling the EHRC not to investigate Islamophobia in the Conservative Party, despite the huge scale of the problem already well catalogued.

This does not bode well for trust in the process.https://t.co/hELNHTI8Ym https://t.co/dLIhTQYZUB

— Miqdaad Versi (@miqdaad) July 13, 2019

I think baroness Warsi might have some questions for Trevor Phillips.

without getting into whataboutery territory it is probably fair to say there won't be a panorama investigation into this scandal.

Philips spends half the column comparing Labour the the BNP. It’s shameful.

Honestly between that and Panorama, I would be surprised if they weren’t putting together a defence on how it was impossible for them to have been given a fair hearing.

You’d have to hope Phillips’ peculiarities aren’t reflected by the organisation as a whole and that they’re under better management now. He found his natural home at the Daily Mail.

I always knew all of these staunch blairites were positively unreconstructed tories.. but fucking hell that's a lot of tory right there!

idk how many senior Tories would take to the pages of the Mail to say

Against this background, Macpherson decided to expand his brief to treat police racism as simply an example of bigotry that permeated the whole of British society. It was a grave mistake. For all his distinction as a lawyer, I believe the judge had limited experience in race relations.

First, he came up with a definition of ‘institutional racism’ that managed to be both unintelligible and wrong.

Thus began a 20-year-long goose chase in search of racial bigotry often where none exists; a trend that has been extended to other aspects of identity politics, including, spectacularly, putting feminists in the dock for questioning the right of anyone in possession of a working penis to identify as a woman.

Second, Macpherson incorrectly attributed almost all racial disadvantage to conscious white discrimination. He ignored the responsibilities of minority communities themselves; most knife crime, for example, is committed by young black men against other young black men.

Following what I said about my very critical support for Len on this matter:

If the biggest cheer at your biggest event is one of your leader's closest allies swearing at your deputy leader for addressing racism in your party, then you're probably screwed. https://t.co/T7R517SMCg

— Dorian Lynskey (@Dorianlynskey) July 13, 2019

the erstwhile ilxer is always looking for that sweet spot between JH and Dunty!

still don't like big Len, but my rambling bollox after a few cans posting on him yesterday was pretty shit and didn't really nail anything!

xp isn’t that their stupid podcast

yep! I believe so.

not that I've ever been tempted towards hate listening!

come back to ilx DL u coward

It’s not Farage, it’s Richard Tice. *vom face emoji*

That's the Richard Tice who has been all over the media all week saying it would be a good idea to have a successful businessman appointed next ambassador to the US *hint hint*

And Trevor Phillips is just a trolling hasbeen these days.

Need clarification on what he has been tbh

Not been here for a week so catching up and its just mind-boggling that anyone (Matt in this case) thinks that Watson has "clearly something of substance that he is desperate to get out of the open" re: Labour's issues around Anti-semitism. I mean, he would surely have bought it out in the open by now if he had

OK to elaborate, he wants something out in the open but doesn't want to be the one to leak it himself - partly because it really would make his position untenable but mostly because there's more political capital in putting pressure on the party hierarchy to do it themselves.

Essentially all of these things can be true at once:

- That Labour has a problem with AS (perhaps a growing one) and that the party leadership has generally been dealing with it badly.
- That there are a load of red rose emoji dickheads on social media who are exacerbating the problem by attacking people who bring this up by spouting nonsense about Netanyahu or Israeli lobbbies. Whether these people are all card-carrying Labour members I personally doubt but I'm pretty sure they're not all bots either.
- That while there are also people in the party who are genuinely horrified by AS, there are also people who are not motivated purely by anti-racist principles who have a vested interest in keeping the row going.
- That these people are adding fuel to the conspiracy theory fire and keeping the whole clusterfuck spinning.

Andrew Rawnsley's column today is absolutely maddening, specifically this bit:

At the apex of the hierarchy is the first-order principle, a belief so important to a politician that he or she will even quit their party to uphold their convictions. Opposing racism is – or certainly ought to be – a first-order principle for any member of the Labour party. If the Labour party is about anything, it surely has to be about opposing racism in all its manifestations. And if it can’t be relied on to do that, then it is no longer the Labour party.

I mean it isn't difficult at all to find plenty of examples of pre-2015 Labour failing to oppose racism in all its forms and in several cases actively pandering to it or encouraging it. It doesn't actually benefit anyone - least of all victims of racism - to pretend otherwise.

I'd like to see a Panorama on the pre-2015 history of Labour AS/Racism - there would be enough material to make it a series.

There was a letter of Jewish Support For Chris Williamson published in the Guardian - for a bit.

https://www.theguardian.com/info/2019/jul/09/removed-article

As I keep pointing out, Labour’s Jewish vote plummeted in 2014 after Ed Miliband made recognition of Palestinian entitlement to statehood a Labour policy. And when EM and his father were the victims of AS, none of the figures we see raising the AS issue as endemic in “Jeremy Corbyn’s Labour” rose to defend the Miliband family except... Jeremy Corbyn?

I'd actually go far as to say that takes like that Rawnsley one - and anyone overlooking or explaining away things like the Woolas leaflet - are also ways in which institutional racism sustains and perpetrates itself. 'That stuff before, it was just tactical, it wasn't really racism'.

Anyone see anything dodgy about this tweet singling out two Jewish men for coming from privileged backgrounds and helping to “control” Jeremy Corbyn?

Momentum have attacked a “broken political system dominated by posh men from expensive private schools”. The same Momentum created by Jon Lansman (Highgate), James Schneider (Dragon, Winchester, St Paul's) who help Seumas Milne (Winchester) control Jeremy Corbyn (Castle House)

— Matt Forde (@mattforde) July 14, 2019

Tbf they would be probably so much more respectful to leftwingers from bona-fide council estate backgrounds.

But that master of puppets meme definitely shows they are committed against antisemitism.

Just posting this here for next time some little Englander is letting on Leo is some sort of Brit-bashing nationalist

It’s a wonderful feeling to see an Irishman and Dubliner @Eoin16 lifting the Cricket World Cup. A proud day for all of us. Congratulations Eoin Morgan and England. Our debut test encounter awaits.

— Leo Varadkar (@LeoVaradkar) July 14, 2019

lol that is at least 40% a sly dig

OK to elaborate, he wants something out in the open but doesn't want to be the one to leak it himself - partly because it really would make his position untenable but mostly because there's more political capital in putting pressure on the party hierarchy to do it themselves.

Matt what makes you think Watson wants something out in the open - I guess if its just a hunch...was wondering where this was coming from.

"and doesn't want to leak it himself" implies he has something explosive in a cupboard somewhere. Like we know The Guardian probably has that tape of Boris having an argument with his partner somewhere - but that's because of the level of reporting we have seen from them on this, and the reaction of the right-wing press to it.

If we had something don't we think he could fairly safely arrange this to be leaked with little chance of being found out? ILX consensus of "not the brightest" would imply he would try it...when the other bright one - Gavin Williamson - leaked the Huawei business Theresa May had the full machinery of the civil service and other services to find out who did it - don't think that's available to an internal Labour Party dispute.

Well done @EnglandCricket! #CWC19Final #ENGvsNZ pic.twitter.com/D3aGf1eTU2

— Theresa May (@theresa_may) July 14, 2019

Good morning!

tbf cricket is the main sport of the tories.

cricket nazis!

rugby union m8