Seizing back control: The ILX lol brexit is how we're all gonna die thread.

Sure but the negative coverage does have an impact and it’s wrong to pretend it doesn’t.

So my brother went to a festival themed party as Tom Watson at Glastonbury... pic.twitter.com/rHOze9cLkt

— Sam Neve (@SJNeve) November 18, 2017

(lol i just remembered i passed n!ck c0h3n in the street at angel on wed eve: first time i ever saw him irl, judging by his fizzog in repose he is really not a fellow enjoying life)

Sorry, delete “pretend”, that was more accusatory than I intended @ anvil. I mean to say, TW knows the media throwing volumes of shit at Labour has an effect, hence why he behaves the way he does. He’s not the only person ideologically opposed in Shad cab, but most of those people phrase their disagreements privately or in less inflammatory terms.

Whatever else someone thinks of Corbyn, he very rarely engages in the name-calling or smartarsery of some of his more media-facing colleagues (and obvs that’s what JMc is for) or, in fact, the sort of scathing melt who both screams about civility and calls JC ‘magic grandpa’ amongst other names.

lol just struck me that TW is kind of the bizarro-world present-day tony benn re keeping the disagreements private :D

Sure but the negative coverage does have an impact and it’s wrong to pretend it doesn’t.

Definitely has an impact! I don't mean to ignore it or pretend it doesn't, but to use it

If positionally homeless Gary Lineker dislikes you, use it! These people aren't exactly popular themselves. Having the media against you shouldn't be a negative in 2019

"We love all 23 candidates," establishment billionaire balloon says. "No, minus one. I profoundly dislike Bernie Sanders, and you can write it.

This is a ringing endorsement in an anti-establishment climate. No need to be on defensive about this stuff, should welcome it

ahhhh chicken coup nostalgia. simpler times

remember owen smith?

New phone, who dat?

(lol i just remembered i passed n!ck c0h3n in the street at angel on wed eve: first time i ever saw him irl, judging by his fizzog in repose he is really not a fellow enjoying life)

Waiting for a bus last night, Charles Clarke walked past me.

Don’t necessarily disagree with your bigger point anvil but Bernie lost the nomination and he’s going to lose it again.

There's enough of substance going with Labour AS for Watson to be able to hide behind a fig leaf of "don't shoot the messenger", even if he isn't the messenger really. Despite the Leveson stuff the press must love him as he's clearly a constant source of easy stories for them.

This is a ringing endorsement in an anti-establishment climate. No need to be on defensive about this stuff, should welcome it

Labour (or Momentum more generally) did this a lot in the immediate aftermath of the election with the "they just don't get it, do they?" series of social media videos. It works extremely well as a way of firing up a particular voter base but eventually you are going to max out that part of the electorate - even if you convert people to it in the process. To win properly you need to add other groups of voters to that coalition and try not to lose any in the process and it doesn't necessarily have to reek of Peter Mandelson to do that.

I would be highly skeptical that Jeremy Corbyn's more popular than Gary Lineker outside of the left left Twitter bubble.

christ

Just been digging through my old leaflets. Found this from ten years ago. pic.twitter.com/KzefKFbEdu

— Tom Watson (@tom_watson) November 20, 2014

Yeah yeah Gary Lineker who gives a shit? He's liked and respected by as many people as dislike him, maybe more.

Who are the people who are really hated in this country? Mike Ashley, Philip Green, everyone knows who they are - provoke them into saying things about you and then you have messages that cut through and reinforce your manifesto.

no one thinks it's sufficient but the left could really do with a bit of consolidation by via negativa atm, it's not been a great few months. also helps remind kind, rational and witty types which side they want to come down on

Don’t necessarily disagree with your bigger point anvil but Bernie lost the nomination and he’s going to lose it again.

― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek),

Pretty early to call, but who do you think will get it? Where would he be without grassroots energy. Also its interesting that to some extent the media have cottoned on to fact they were acting as unwitting endorses and moved more towards ignoring (all that 'Biden falls, now Kamala and Warren tied for third' stuff)

There's still a deeper problem in acting like policies of the left are unpopular and must be hidden because we don't trust the public to like them enough

Yeah yeah Gary Lineker who gives a shit?

yeah cheap shot using Lineker, agree on the others. Need to be starting spats with all of them

I would be highly skeptical that Jeremy Corbyn's more popular than Gary Lineker outside of the left left Twitter bubble.

― Andrew Farrell

Exactly! if he was more popular this wouldn't be necessary. Left twitter bubble is the last place anyone should be looking

Labour (or Momentum more generally) did this a lot in the immediate aftermath of the election with the "they just don't get it, do they?" series of social media videos. It works extremely well as a way of firing up a particular voter base but eventually you are going to max out that part of the electorate - even if you convert people to it in the process.

it doesn't have to be the only method, and if you max out part of the electorate, well its better than not maxing it out. In general I think there's too much fear about losing voters and not enough worry about gaining voters.

Also just looking like winners counts for a lot. Watching a tv debate in a foreign language, its obvious who "won" regardless of whether you understood a single word

Tom Watson, last week: it’s extremely bad that one (1) CLP member said that a pregnant MP should be deselected.

Tom Watson (actual Deputy Leader of the Labour Party), this week: the General Secretary, who is undergoing cancer treatment, is a liar who must be stopped.

— Peter (@pickyouredge) July 12, 2019

Really dislike this new trend of parading the health problems of women in politics on social media to give them victim status for factional advantage. They're all at it.

I know being heavily pregnant isn't a health problem but you get my point.

Yeah I don't like the subtext there either.

NEW: General Election voting intention in England, Scotland and Wales, 10th - 11th July 2019:

LAB 29% (+3), CON 23% (-1), BXP 20% (nc), LD 19% (nc), SNP 4% (+1), GRN 3% (-2), OTH 2% (-1)

(changes w/ 19th - 20th June 2019) pic.twitter.com/yH12s5qPWv

— Survation. (@Survation) July 12, 2019

the latest Survation poll which won't be quoted by the bbc because they are biased corbynistas obv.

there is definitely something right going on here though, because it appears the so called Libdem surge is a load of hot air.

well they are up on the 10% average from before I guess.

good luck OTH

funny that ChUK have been subsumed into OTH.

the lord chukoth

it’s the LD and BXP numbers and their relative elasticity (or inelasticity as the case may be) that concerns me in recent polling. prima facile extraordinary polling for LAB tho given recent news cycles

a bit of antisemitism/racism will perhaps sometimes get a party a few extra points in UK polling.

Jennie Formby pointing out herself that she came in to meet with shadow cabinet about AS on a day when she should’ve been allowing nurses to inject her with curative poisons is VERY different (and lolirony) from baggymp indulging in dubiously paternalistic honour-defending of a pregnant woman. I don’t like the comparison, but I like even less internet bros elsewhere tweeting Watson to compare and contrast the women.

Labour civil war deepens as Diane Abbott shares call for deputy leader Tom Watson to consider his position https://t.co/wa0B5DQmAN

— The Independent (@Independent) July 12, 2019

xp yeah Suzy I know this is not one thing the same as another but it gets ugly and disingenuous, obv this is Tom's stock in trade

I’d be so embarrassed to write this let alone put it forward as concensus, let alone concensus I concur with. pic.twitter.com/Cj9AdlQJ3A

— No One (@judeinlondon2) July 13, 2019

jude otm on Baroness Hyde and her merry crowd of mirthful admirers... oh she's killing it again.... it's so hilarious and true ... etc

Marina’s nailed it again!

Absolutely brilliant... again. It's just embarrassing how good she is at telling like it is and simultaneously making me die in paroxysms of laughter.

She's riffing on When Harry Met Sally.

Idk if anyone has posted it but the Andrew Neil interview with Johnson where he’s talking about Article 5B and GATT, Neil asks him how he’d deal with the implications of 5C, Johnson admits he has no idea what it is and starts blustering about “negativity “ should be on a loop for the next six months.

"Do you know what's in paragraph 5c?"

"No" @AfNeil challenges Boris Johnson on the detail of how the UK would trade with the EU after #Brexit

The Andrew Neil Interviews: Watch in full at 7pm on @BBCOne #BBCOurNextPM

[tap to expand] https://t.co/Vi5EqKlFAg pic.twitter.com/wEl81N4maG

— BBC Politics (@BBCPolitics) July 12, 2019

I don't really want to ruin my day thinking about how this utter cunt is going to be our Prime Minister.

the guy who really puts the anus into Coriolanus

at least we'll have "hilarious" zingers like this to cheer us up.

starring Boris Johnson as Peter O’Hanrahan’rahan

y'all are crazy, Marina is the best

well at least back in the days when she was attacking right-wing Labour from the left you might not have noticed how much her own politics suck shit.

only blue ticks like baroness hyde

If the only conclusion she can draw from the irresistible rise of boris is that the problem is that he is a fake alpha male, then she is obviously deeply invested in the good ol' patriarchy.

Not to mention the class system that spawned him as well.

Idk if anyone has posted it but the Andrew Neil interview with Johnson where he’s talking about Article 5B and GATT, Neil asks him how he’d deal with the implications of 5C, Johnson admits he has no idea what it is and starts blustering about “negativity “ should be on a loop for the next six months.

Dunno if this is unwarranted pessimism on my part or what, but I can well imagine the general reaction being "yeah, I don't know either, go Boris!".

Not unwarranted.

So what if Boris doesn't know what a Gatt 5B is? The people who want out dgaf what one of those is and think it should be put in a bin. The whole point is that tedious paperwork is holding us back, and reading or knowing what it is for nerds and gets in the way of the important business of setting it on fire