Chapo Trap House and the rise of the dirtbag left

this is the kind of advert companies made in the 1990s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHP3V25pkNY

now they're making ads about stopping toxic masculinity

lol that ad kinda rules, no?

it's kind of emblematic of the approach to male sexuality that was rife in the 90s, and which is not congruent at all with the current zeitgeist

A variation of every reactionary backlash happening today was happening in the '90s... and the '00s and the '80s and so on.

feel like american culture was more conservative in 00s than 90s
operative word here "feel"

beer commercial music has improved at least
https://www.ispot.tv/ad/Aqfj/michelob-ultra-get-up-song-by-james-brown

Its like you can’t even screech in a bagel shop that women won’t let short men smash without someone making a tweet about it anymore

I don't see a lot of difference in American culture between the '00s and the '90s. 1999 lasted until the iPhone came out, pretty much.

feel like american culture was more conservative in 00s than 90s

Murphy Brown becoming a single mom and Ellen kissing a woman once were major national news stories (because the right flipped their shit).

Its like you can’t even screech in a bagel shop that women won’t let short men smash without someone making a tweet about it anymore

― space invaders are smokin penises!!!! (Whiney G. Weingarten)

lol

xp I know, and don't ask don't tell, DOMA, other celebrities that stayed (glass) closeted. what did the first/second wave of political correctness hit? just academia? sincerely asking. I read Roth's The Human Stain earlier this year, and now Sabbath's Theater, and it feels utterly of the moment despite being from 2000 and 1995 respectively.

the 90s ended on 9/11

People have been complaining about political correctness since the mid '80s and it was used before that in a different manner. It feels utterly of the moment because it's all been the same play over and over with different actors and slightly altered scenes.

The '90s didn't end (culturally) on 9/11 by any stretch. Even politically, the Bush era was just the fruition of the 1994 House election.
2008ish you get Obama/iPhone-Youtube-social media culture in ascendancy/Great Recession.

my formative years, turning 18 in ‘99, were the 90s

by our definitions now, it was not amazingly progressive. it’d be like asking someone in the 90s if the 70s were progressive and then showing them a tv show where some guy is like “wow, a broad in the office? and she’s my manager! gee, wiz!” and they all wink at the camera. the difference is the wink goes away and maybe no one calls her a broad

the 90s were “pc” in the way a lot of things were given lip service and token social changes happened but there was no follow-through. as always, maybe

There was "PC" stuff on campuses in the 90s, but it kind of felt as much a a reaction against boomer permissiveness as against entrenched patriarchy etc. There was a lot of "Hey, superstar former hippie professor, stop grabbing students' breasts!" which caused a bunch of oldsters to believe the thought police were coming for them.

i'd had drinks and i'm not sure where i was going with that post

in any case, the 90s were notionally progressive in some ways, but you generally can judge the progressiveness of any particular era by the norms adopted that were, in the immediately prior era, pushing social boundaries. the norms didn't change a whole lot, and the things that seemed like they were really pushing boundaries seem pretty quaint by 2019 standards

Matt, Virgil, and Brendan were at the Netroots Nation thing today and dropped on Majority Report, midway thru this clip:

https://youtu.be/jfjaxQrCdb8

the return of brendan would be sweet, always enjoyed his guest appearances/producer insights

biggest get yet, no?

👑 CHAPO X Ilhan Omar 🤩 pic.twitter.com/RmzRpth1Lt

— Chapo Trap House (@CHAPOTRAPHOUSE) July 14, 2019

well it’s just bc they were all at netroots nation right?

Why are you doing this to her

— Member of D.S.A.—“Drinking Some Ale!” (@90sSlowJamz) July 14, 2019

The 90s version of PC was mocked the most for the phrase "vertically challenged" iirc

re: Ross Perot?

❤️ Brace Belden

I find all their Epstein glee pretty distasteful but Belden is a unique kind of edgelord awful

I'll take Epstein fever over electoral prognostication any day tbh

yeah i enjoyed that pod tbh. epstein stuff > virgil talking psephology

i then listened to the two episodes of true anon and enjoyed them too

lmao here I was thinking they were canny for keeping Greenwald at arm's length for the last while and then...

at least it's on the subject he's going to be the least annoying about

glenn is actually good on brazilian politics imo

and good on brazilian doggies

This greenwald story is bananas. Honestly massive respect to him for this.

Yeah, that was a good segment. for once I genuinely learned a lot

There's gotta be a better thread to discuss this stuff, but I'm guessing the Epstein segments are, uh, not going to settle down anytime soon

Exclusive: Jeffrey Epstein once spoke to scientists and others of a plan to seed the human race with his DNA by impregnating scores of women at his New Mexico ranch https://t.co/8nsw9HSY3R

— The New York Times (@nytimes) July 31, 2019

real motherfucking genghis khan hours

“He would abruptly change the subject, A.D.D.-style, dismiss an observation with an adolescent wisecrack,” Mr. Pinker said.

this has been quoted in a number of articles now, but it actually seems like it might not be a negative on Epstein? kind of sounds like Pinker is a blowhard in conversation and he's pissy about how people would cut off his brilliant rants with jokes

almost couldn't believe that headline but eventually settled on it making sense, and of course he was interested in eugenics, because why not

maybe going to lose all of my casual podcast listener credibility by going to a live CTH event next week

I saw Krystal Ball from The Hill on TMBS, she's good! The Hill is establishment centrist media?

I think The Hill's shtick is it's 90% inside baseball and capital water cooler gossip

i went to cumtown live after listening to like 4 episodes. it was fun

Street Fight Radio, The Trillbillies, and District Sentinelnare doing a live gig down here in Atlanta around the DSA Convention. I’m torn.

The Hill is an intentionally dry DC trade publication. I wouldn’t call it a gossip rag or even close; that’s the Axios/Politico schtick.

It’s a clickfarm/aggregator that designs its headlines to generate maximum twitter discussion (aka rage)

gossip was probably the wrong word. dry, on the other hand, is definitely the right one

The subreddit got quarantined—what bullshit.

Dumb, but I'm surprised it didn't happen sooner.

Nice fiery appearance from Michael Moore on that recent live one. The generational differences between them (eg MM's refusal to totally dismiss Obama) was interesting.

Amazing that Moore doesn't have a podcast in this environment.

yeah that is weird

Small mercies.

I wouldn't listen to it but he could be a useful lefty voice and he'd immediately be one of the most popular political podcasts.