Seizing back control: The ILX lol brexit is how we're all gonna die thread.

I did! The Jewish rank and file party members were people I sympathised with, because nobody should have their ethnic or religious characteristics denigrated by people in the same political party, even through ignorance. Nobody in a political party should be allowed to be racist to anyone. Jewish people in the compliance unit obviously trawled through shitloads of horrible comments, memes and posts as part of their jobs and became anxious and depressed. Moderators for newspapers can experience similar. When they got to the bigger fish like Matthews and McNicol, they came off like witnesses who coordinated their testimonies at trial. And I am disinclined to trust the reporting of a self-described islamophobe who made previous documentaries unfair to Corbyn, especially in the light of how certain emails and the NDA issue were handled. There are obviously people deliberately spinning half a fact instead of showing things in their entirety that would change the context.

However, I swear the murky soundtrack was going to bust out into that foghorn bit from Scooby Doo, and the editing and aesthetic choices seemed designed to piss off the left side of the party because: representation and incense the right of Labour because: they fell short of proving anything about LOTO being AS-friendly (but enough stuff for Tom Watson to tweet about how ‘chilled’ he was by the party situation). Perhaps ‘chilled’ was not the word baggymp should have used.

tbf Boris has done his best to help out the Labour Party by his "Whatevs" reaction to this Lil' Kim Darroch story.

"Funny you should say that but one of the participants said he contemplated committing suicide by jumping off the roof about Jennie Formby's office o_0"

RIP ..Heaven needed another pathetic bbc/tory patsy who is beyond fucking contempt!

although at least he could be a useful cautionary tale for the centrist wing of "bring back national service"

was having a drunken late night *flashback to 2017* angry posting exchange with some prick over the use of the term "politically homeless" last night. Need to get a life, but told him it is a total misnomer when the LibDem and Conservatives are still active and his verses are very bad. He's a local p/t stand up comedian who models himself on the big yin but only really performs in shit pubs and dreams he's at Edinburgh fringe. He's a classic m/c extreme moderate who doesn't like being called a tory and probably won't talk to me again ;;

Is the full text of that Milne email available anywhere? Because the line being quoted by Labour Press Office isn't necessarily any more in context than the report is. And in any case anyone who has ever been a victim of racism knows that "but what about when [members of minority] do it themselves?" is a well worn obsfucatory device used by racists. Quoting one line in full doesn't necessarily provide the full context.

Seumas Milne is not a hill for anyone to die on but in any case anyone who thinks that institutional racism is about the acts of one or two powerful individuals doesn't understand what institutional racism is - we're really talk about the entrenched structures that enable the racism to exist and weeding that out is a lot harder than the Tom Watsons of this world would have you believe.

One of the ways this manifests itself is the use of various forms of hard and soft coercion (including guilt) to convince well-meaning people that protecting the good name of the institution is more important than dealing with the problem. This isn't just confined to AS or racism - we saw a similar effect in the way the Miliband-era party dealt with allegations of sexual harassment.

This might seem minor at a time when the government is literally repatriating people who have been here their entire lives, but it's still a symptom of the problem. And just because malign actors are out to exploit the problem for their own ends doesn't mean there isn't a problem. If anything it's better to deal with it transparently - in part to deprive them of a line of attack. (Yeah right, like they won't find another one...)

In that context, the response of the Labour Press Office - and the likes of Owen Jones etc - feels tone deaf. And that remains the case even if the programme is a hatchet job, in fact I'm not sure it makes much difference. Would be interested to see what the likes of John Lansmann and Rhea Wolfson have to say.

I think the numerous people out there all taking the line “of course, if it were any other form of racism” are themselves racist and obvious dangers. I mean, you could quite easily make the case for one of these supposedly superior treated forms of racism - it’s just that most of them are actively pursued by the government, the media and their enablers for ideological and electoral advantage. I parsed the Milne thing about being about optics as much as anything - not a great look if you’re a party of mainly gentiles seen to be persecuting Jewish people to root out antisemitism - But I agree with you that context is key.

Lansman had this to say about why he didn’t participate.

1/5 Antisemitism in Labour is a serious & complex issue which deserves fair & balanced discussion. But the contents of tonight’s Panorama exposé, some of which I’ve seen as a potential interviewee, suggest that it will fall well short of that pic.twitter.com/0kP5waqCUR

— Jon Lansman (@jonlansman) July 10, 2019

I mean, you don't have to go back to Ed Miliband for that attitude to harassment allegations - it's Karie Murphy again who's been saying "It's not a problem, we don't need to make a complaint of it, we can just get someone to have a word", regarding David Prescott and Peter Willsman

like the Jewish Labour voter on Today said when programs like the panorama one are incurious about the real history of AS problems among the left and its history beyond Corbyn, and have silly fucking voiceovers saying spurious nonsense instead, then it becomes an obvious crude line of attack that undermines any PLP attempts (as useless as they might have been) to deal with the problem and just becomes more noise in the cacophony chamber and doesn't do anyone any favours other than the Conservative party of course.

Jude slicing through bullshit better than almost anyone could:

I’m not sure we’re in the business of Jewish identifiers anymore that seems pretty Nazi germany to me. Which means it’s probably better off not engaging in language that would become instantly antisemitic upon knowledge of that identity.

— No One (@judeinlondon2) July 11, 2019

Argh, thread starts here - that’s its current end:

Another dismal 24hrs in the racist cesspit that is British politics.

— No One (@judeinlondon2) July 11, 2019

That thread is still being written fwiw.

I must admit I did find myself thinking, "Why is the Disputes Office staffed entirely by Yoppers?"

OK I've read the whole thing and it's excellent - I'm not quite sure about the point that it would be antisemitic if he were Jewish (when the key point is he obviously isn't) but I think sinister puppet-master rhetoric is lame and counterproductive and dangerous in any case. The rest of it is OTM, they're handling this really badly and it's fanning the flames.

Is Twitter the most appropriate venue for such a lengthy thread? Tempted not to read it at all for this admittedly superficial reason.

Meanwhile:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/jul/11/tommy-robinson-given-nine-month-jail-term-for-contempt-of-court

hope he finds islam in jail

I don’t think she meant to write such a long thread, but she started, so she had to finish. It’s worth a full read.

and islam beats the shit out of him

Well that's cheered me up a bit.

Bunch of TR fans going past office now. They are as you’d expect.

Crying?

terrified of dairy products?

Yeah, the thread is excellent, as is the Tommy Robinson news.

In other (largely unimportant) news, I did see someone point out that Graham Brady resigned from the 1922 committee to run for Tory party leader and then.. didn't run for Tory party leader.

Means he hasn’t got to keep track of all those letters.

Xps sadly not, a load of scaldy heads and shouting

Tommy Robinson: The Prison Diaries

Actually didn't Jeffrey Archer publish his jailbird mitherings?
This could be Mr Yaxley-Lennon's opportunity to break into the (not very) lucrative racist author market if he hasn't done so already.

jeffrey archer isn't the first person that springs to mind when considering fascists who wrote their magnum opuses from jail tbh

I'll be praying that his sad acolytes find some meaning in their lives without their leader. Some of them might be still young enough to join the venture scouts. I fear some of the older ones might be a bit beyond redemption.

terrified of dairy products?

The Qur'an teaches that milk is good for you, as opposed to, uh, Western culture which is, uh, notorious for its centuries-old, uh, opposition to dairy products.

I'll be praying that his sad acolytes find some meaning in their lives without their leader.

What will they do without being able to follow Agammonemnon blindly into battle?

Almost a portmanteau of Agamemnon and Mammon.

LBC live from HMP

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/jul/11/rail-worker-killed-by-train-was-fatigued-and-on-zero-hours-contract

url-that-defines-the-age

rip big man, heaven needed a pint-sized lactose-dodger

https://i.imgur.com/h0pNNgO.jpg

(while stocks last)

de sade knocked out 120 Days of Sodom in the Bastille - let's see what Tommy can do

— paulfsavage (@FilmsJapan) July 11, 2019

lool!

it must have been nice for Khan to have that rare chance to meet someone who is only millimetres taller than himself.. and then hang him.

That painting is absolute art, check out the Muslim moon.

HAIL LUNA, OUR MUSLAMIC SATELLITE

how are there stars inside the cescent of the moon?

https://aaronkcollett.files.wordpress.com/2016/01/0042_09.gif?w=468&zoom=2

https://aaronkcollett.files.wordpress.com/2016/01/0042_05.gif?w=468&zoom=2

inshallah

lol we're all gonna die

The Department for Transport has issued new guidance to all British-flagged commercial ships to go to a heightened state of security in the Strait of Hormuz, Sky News understands.

The guidance was issued in recent days in response to concern about an increased threat from Iran in the Gulf, two maritime industry sources said.

British-flagged ships have been advised to keep alert for Iranian patrol boats "being aggressive towards them", one of the sources said.

A separate shipping industry source said his vessels are increasing the number of watch keepers on deck, trying to move through the Strait of Hormuz during daylight hours and travelling at a faster pace than usual to keep safe.

A Department for Transport spokeswoman said: "The Department for Transport, as competent authority, regularly provides Security Advice to UK and Red Ensign Group Shipping on how they should operate in areas of high risk."

Donny beckons.

All British-flagged commercial ships advised to hold housekeys in hand, with the individual keys sticking out between their fingers, just in case

xp
well arguably the UK is the Donny Rovers of the great powers these days!

once you've fired an ambassador at the behest of the president of the united states, who's to say that you won't be persuaded to fire... other things at the behest of the president of the united states

Reminds me of when slavery was abolished obv.