Seizing back control: The ILX lol brexit is how we're all gonna die thread.

stunning stuff

(re: the "reporting" i mean)

Xps
Imagine pissing away tens of millions to ruthless doorstep scammers so easily like that. I can't wait till an audit reveals UC has been a costly mistake and most of those responsible for the travesty get lifetime peerages.

I might be wrong about this, but I think when ppl refer back to "historic" problems with anti-semitism in Labour they're talking about the fact that British society was (is) anti-semitic and Labour failed to deviate from that, not that Labour was more anti-semitic than society at large.

It very much depends on the people you ask. iirc polling over the last twenty years suggests that Labour members are less antisemitic than the baseline British public and about half as antisemitic as a percentage now than they were under Blair (with the caveat that the party is more than twice as large) - but the polling tends to be based on the extent to which members agree with what would generally be considered overtly antisemitic statements.

Segalov, Wolfson, etc, are right to say that 11% of the membership is 11% too much, irrespective of how much worse anyone else might be, and the party should make every effort to root them out / make it clear that they’re not welcome.

Extend that out, in good faith or not, to a broader range of more contentious opinions and it gets a little more hazy. Support for Palestine has traditionally been stronger on the left of the Labour Party than other political movements. If you sincerely believe that criticism of Israel without equal criticism of, idk, Morocco, is likely to be rooted in antisemitism then you’re probably going to think that Labour is more antisemitic than the polling suggests. Extend that even further to the argument, made a number of times over the last few years, that critiques of capitalism are inherently conspiratorial in nature and anti capitalist conspiracies are generally antisemitic, you also bring in more people. As the left has grown in strength, the perception might be that Labour has become a vehicle for antisemitism, irrespective of what any polling says to the contrary.

Inevitably, there is a crossover at times between the 11% of overt antisemites and the proportion of the membership that is vocal about Palestine / the abuses of capitalism, so rarely any shortage of incidents to point to in order to suggest it is all part and parcel.

This is true, I’d also add the low level of political education of older activists and members especially - they share stuff uncritically in Facebook groups that they maybe only partially understand - and you can see this from responses - and get angry when being accused of being racist, because to them racism is conscious.

Eleven percent? That many? I thought the figures were .01%?

I think that's the percentage for "Yes, I'm an antisemite, make sure you spell that correctly, A-N-T-I.."

It’s likely to be the percentage of members reported to a disciplinary committee, rather than the number who will agree with statements anonymously.

has anyone here read shami chakrabarti's report?

If the road to the disciplinary committee goes through Karie Murphy, that's going to be the same thing, so.

The main difference to the conference motion is that in that scenario Labour would campaign for Remain? Whether that happens or how they'd enforce it across the board is open for debate I guess.

Well, all the Leavers in Remain seats are fucking off, which helps.

can't help but hear karie murphy in dave chapelle doing rick james voice

STATEMENT: We call on @UKLabour’s NEC to do the right thing tomorrow. Reinstate Chris Williamson and let’s resume the fight for a Corbyn-led Labour government. pic.twitter.com/BUmo9760AJ

— Campaign for Chris Williamson (@CampaignForCW) July 8, 2019

no

Or they’ll do what, exactly?

also lol seen off by uh raheem kassam

I originally retweeted this but fucked if I'm giving yer man the numbers so screenshot instead. Alex Wickham here being reminded by his former editor at Breitbart of the sort of stuff he used to write about Islam before the media establishment memoryholed it all. pic.twitter.com/bEmKYOgcTP

— Stefano Vozza (@stef_wholemeal) July 8, 2019

lol Roger Waters, Ken Loach, Alexi Sayle, Brian Eno.. they don't need no education.

anti capitalist conspiracies are generally antisemitic

This part, at least, is definitely true, no?

That depends on what you define as a conspiracy theory, though. Believing that the Rothschilds and Goldman Sachs secretly plot out the course of the world economy between them is inseparable from antisemitic tropes. Believing that ‘corrupt politicians’ have ‘rigged the economy’ is a standard Bernie Sanders line. There are people who’ll happily argue that the latter is just as much of a conspiracy theory as the former.

But in all honesty, it's not specifically anti-capitalist? Corruption is a theme all over the world. If you say corrupt bankers have bought all the politicians, then...

bankers is only a synonym for jews if yr antisemitic

in the early 20th century the Judeo-Bolshevik myth wasn't a creation of the nazis, it was a collaborative creation of greater European bigotry and including Great Britain and other capitalist nations and it was still prevalent after the holocaust. just saying.

A lot of those tropes were constructed out of actual bullshit to allow the type of exclusive WASPy firms with more power than most other groups to carry on running things under the radar.

In light of Trump proving the UK Ambassador entirely correct with his latest tweets now would be a great time for May to say the same (wtf does she have to lose) or at least tweet him a link to that video of Johnson criticising him from a few years back.

Or they could all vanish in a puff of clemency.

now would be a great time for May to… wtf does she have to lose

feel you have not quite grasped some key things abt may here nash

Remember the time May wouldn’t speak out for Sadiq Khan when Trump was spotlighting him for all his fash followers? Remember when the US leaked the London Bridge attack details? Like she’ll do anything.

Also re anti capitalism & antisemitism

Saying "anti-capitalism is anti-semitic" is...anti-semitic.

It reinforces the racialisation of Jews as the capitalist class, erases the long and proud history of proletarian struggles by Jewish workers & tbh the people hawking this shit don't even believe it themselves.

— michael (@Sisyphusa) March 4, 2019

just because some people are shit at anti-capitalism & personify capital as Jews, that doesn't mean that the capitalist mode of production isn't objectively the most disastrous human and world-destroying force on earth that has also helped to slaughter millions of Jews ffsaaaaake

— michael (@Sisyphusa) March 4, 2019

Sisyphusa really rolling that ball of straw up the hill

admin can we get a fred b threadban?

good luck sisyphusa

ae+

I'd rather read Michael/Sisyphusa on left-originating AS/racism than just about anyone. Geh kaken afen yam, Fred.

I love it when "wise" gentiles dismiss what Jewish people feel and think about AS.

Jim otm, he contributes far less than everyone else’s shitposting combined!

admin can we get a fred b threadban?

From the (very helpful!) vox article posted in reply to my question:

the socialist left...tends to be passionately pro-Palestine.

“The selective extracts leaked do not reflect the closeness of, and the esteem in which we hold, the relationship. At the same time we have also underlined the importance of ambassadors being able to provide honest, unvarnished assessments of the politics in their country. Sir Kim Darroch continues to have the prime minister’s full support.” is actually a little further than I thought she'd go.

There is of course nothing good about Trump but his inability to play the statesman tickles me at times like this.

I regret to inform you that a rabble of terrible articles has now been adapted for the big screen:

https://unherd.com/2019/07/how-the-lib-dems-could-seize-power/

Skimmed the first three paragraphs and that is heelarious

it will be even more piss funny when this huge LibDem surge (encouraged by EU election results and those wacky YouGov jokers) doesn't actually happen, sheeit I've probably ensured it will happen by posting this :(

this is the product of a very powerful brain

The results of the election were described by one leading constitutional expert in an emotional late-night TV appearance as “a massive clusterfuck.” Labour technically “won” with 240 seats, marginally ahead of the rump Conservatives on 235. A total of 25 Independent Conservatives returned to the Commons, and the SNP hoovered up 50 Scottish seats.

Swinson marginally avoided losing her own seat, but hung on to cheer as 76 other Lib Dems were elected, taking seats from both Labour and the Tories.

The events that followed led to October 2019 being widely remembered as the most momentous month in British peacetime history. It started with Buckingham Palace signalling that the Queen would not immediately summon Corbyn and ask him to form a Government. As Corbyn’s few remaining media allies fulminated about a constitutional coup, it became clear why the Monarch had hesitated: Tom Watson, still Labour’s deputy leader, announced that he was resigning the Labour whip and would sit as a Social Democrat; he was quickly joined by more than 100 of his former Labour colleagues.

While Johnson, still technically Prime Minister, remained in No 10 facing Tory calls to quit in favour of Farage, Swinson made her move.

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By James Kirkup

Inspired, as she later confirmed, by an old episode of The West Wing, she summoned TV cameras to film her walking slowly from the House of Commons up Whitehall then along the Mall to Buckingham Palace. Accompanied initially just by her Lib Dem colleagues, she was joined on the way first by Independent Conservative leader Rory Stewart, then by Watson, Emily Thornberry and Sir Keir Starmer.

By the time she reached the gates of the palace, she was able to deliver an impromptu speech declaring she and she alone could command a majority in the House of Commons and that she would wait outside until the Monarch asked her in.

For 57 minutes – later recalled as the longest hour in British history – Swinson waited, insisting that the light London rain was “nothing compared to Dumbarton”. Then the gates swung open.

the west wing just fuckin destroyed so many brains, the contents of an entire generation's skulls turned to a thin, weak broth by aaron sorkin

Don't do drugs, kids

hah xp

key sentence: "Inspired, as she later confirmed, by an old episode of The West Wing,..."

Unherd is hilarious. Idk who is pumping money into them, Tortoise, Drugstore Culture, etc. They can’t generate any income at all.

NV, I know we've had our differences, but if you persevere here you won't regret it, apart from immediately and for the rest of your life.

Terrible politics sites are the new think tanks

Ah Andrew differences are no reason not to come together around beauty like this