Seizing back control: The ILX lol brexit is how we're all gonna die thread.

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never had a car and hate 'em, so I've never vilified traffic wardens the way most ppl seem to.

people who hate traffic wardens are dicks

someone has to stop these white van pricks/thoughtless idiots kerbing their fucking vehicles and parking in disabled spaces etc..

E.P. Thompson on the “European values” and faux internationalism of Tom Watson and his ilk: pic.twitter.com/LLxv1Itowr

— Paul O'Connell (@pmpoc) July 6, 2019

beautiful little E.P. Thompson quote here on the bullshit internationalism of the EU much celebrated by the blue face clowns. Also this morning was listening to the farming program and the agricultural sector is finding it harder to attract enough workers from eastern Europe because of exchange rates on sterling getting less favourable. So to fill this gap they are going to have to start recruiting from further afield. They have been giving 6 month temp visas to workers from Latvia/Belarus, but only 2500 so far.

If they manage to completely tank sterling brits will have to start picking their own crops again.

Rare bit of Brexit humour (because most of the traders voted out and most customers voted in) at the farmer’s market today: veg farmer/dad joke specialist asked about lettuces, says ‘well, you can have leaf or you can have Romaine’.

I love a lettuce joke. "a group of rich nations feeding each other goodies" isn't much of an indictment of The European Project - the food is one of the best bits

I don't think E P Thompson meant it like that, but farmers being able to grow crops that otherwise would be a loss maker thanks to EU subsidiaries is a good thing.

That's why brexity farmers are a strange bunch really.

Well partly the reason why I should have said..

Lettuce jokes rule!

It annoys me that farmers who trade to customers who are easily 40% continental European (this is Notting Hill) could’ve ever thought Brexit was worth their vote on the potential for lost custom alone. Veg farmer above voted Leave as a protest about having been asked at all/‘oh, fuck it’ in the booth/shire Tory voter loathing D Cameron.

Residua of Blut und Boden. Tilling the soil and all that.

I'm a frequent listener to the early morning farming show and farmers with their heads screwed on know that brexit is an existential threat to their businesses and no deal brexit is almost certain death for their businesses. One of them on this morning's show said was saying he might end up being a taxi driver the way things are going.

I got caught stealing some lettuce once. I was just trying to get a head.

That's how it starts. Tip of the iceberg.

😂

I went to fancy dress dressed as a lettuce, love a bit of cosplay.

https://www.greatmascot.com/image/cache//jpegs/veggies/FC123-800x800.jpg

Ah Pom, you’re a little gem!

Courtesy of Google images, nothing fancy. Pics of iceberg lettuce dresses are harder to come by than dresses cut from other cultivars, however.

the extended salad cosplay cultivarse is a completely new thing to me. that's what i like about ILX!

Good protest by Jess Phillips on Sky News earlier pic.twitter.com/rZ8PA9YTVW

— wariotifo (@wariotifo) July 5, 2019

on the one hand cuts are bad and Tories are bad on the other hand our school system is horribly work ethicky and let the kids have some time off imo

if that means less of them turn out like jess phillips that can only be a net positive for society. Because all her ambitions, ideas and instincts as a politician and a self-promoting celebrity are terminally bad for those that want change.. sorry if this has been done to death on here .. but I wish she'd fucking disappear tbh!

Sure enough as Labour poll between 23 and 27%, Beth Rigby tweets "As Labour poll 18%..."

Brexiteers will eventually have to deal with the fact that years of free movement mean that there are many, many Europeans (myself included) who moved to the UK and intend to stay here but have no intention of ever "being British", we remain Europeans even if you don't pic.twitter.com/SxfhYemFdl

— Marie Le Conte (@youngvulgarian) July 6, 2019

Assimilation into any culture I live in is pretty hard-wired into me due to having moved from Germany to Portugal when I was four and my dad being very militant about "becoming Portuguese", but I'd say over here the problem is the host culture making it pretty clear that they have no use for any efforts in that department.

But let's be real here it's totally not French cosmopolitan types brexiteers are thinking of when they whinge about lack of assimilation.

It's not even about Europeans at all really, or at least not white Western Europeans.

Meanwhile I'm just leaving this thread here in anticipation of next week's colossal clusterfuck:

surely the issue with this Chomsky thing is less about relitigating his (really long) life's work & more about the bizarre way a section of the online left are brandishing some guy's screengrabbed email confirmation of Chomsky's one paragraph take, as if it "solves" anything?

— michael (@Sisyphusa) July 6, 2019

ok don't read the comments

never enjoyed much of Chomsky's work

Yes there is no way in the world I am going I am going to stick my head in that particular sewer even if I'm sure it 100% justifies the point that's being made.

As a reader of CH comments the commentary on there have been banging on about how all immigrants need to take British citizenship to “prove their loyalty” to their country or some shit. Which obviously doesn’t work - black and brown Britons are subject to question marks over their citizenship from the same types. Would much rather they hated me on my own terms than taking British citizenship because it makes some two-bit geriatric racist upset.

Hmmm…

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/07/labour-in-fresh-antisemitism-row-over-use-of-ndas-against-staff-whistleblowers

xpost whether Labour's polling at 18% or between 23 and 27%, that's still pretty pisspoor given that the oveewhelming consensus is the current govt is the most incompetent in living memory

hmm makes u think!

I enjoyed the reading the responses Chukka got after accusing McD of being "unprincipled".

whether Labour's polling at 18% or between 23 and 27%, that's still pretty pisspoor given that the oveewhelming consensus is the current govt is the most incompetent in living memory

cool guess Beth's off the hook then

how high would a gOwen "nowhere" Smith led Labour would be polling now? so far ahead of the LibDems (with an almost identical manifesto) they'd need binoculars no doubt!

Labour should be concerned about the polls but they're very much a product of a set of circumstances that won't exist at the next general election.

they ought to be more concerned about taking rapid, credible steps to deal with antisemitism

they can be rapid or they can be credible, that's always going to be the problem, if/when they even start to be taken

i think there are things that can be done quickly - not in terms of individual cases, but for example making a clear statement of intent and setting out an agenda for restructuring the necessary rules and dealing with how the party responds to (social) media stuff. but i don't think anything's actually going to happen in the current status quo.

They have had an investigation, published a report, clarified the guidance, implemented a disciplinary process, etc, etc. What specifically would you like them to do next?

maybe if they had publicly condemned the lack of contrition in that CW apology, it might have at least shown they are not happy with the situation.

or if they did I missed it.

He has had the whip withdrawn and the case is going back to the NEC.

true but I meant rapidly... not after a shitstorm!

a significant impediment currently is the fact that the lab leadership and the PLP are at constant medium intensity factional war, that nothing done will get full-spectrum support, in public briefings or in private counter-briefings

— this is actually one of the "win the day" things the blair team was better at, with the caveats that (a) the underlying situation was very different and (b) their commitment to high-viz win-the-day splurge was often extremely reactionary in outcome (yarl's wood, ASBOs, the drug czar, the fkn iraq war) while the intricate soc-dem solutions behind this splurge did nothing actuyally to change anything, so e.g. the labour PLP was and is actually quite racist across the board since time immemorial, which hugely enrages corbynistas suddenly confronted with "having to clean racism" via quick-fix public whatever

another significant impediment is that mainstream media coverage of all of this is (and will remain) in massive bad faith, and that's before you even look under the bonnet at rightwing AS

none of which is to say that labour under JC is handling what's confronting them particularly well, particularly as certain elements on the left hunker down into ancient familiar paranoid defensiveness (it's only some, but it only takes one for the times to be able to nutpick)

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Rhea Wolfson was livid at the time, and they need more Jewish MP's like her .. so they can start sweeping AS under the carpet .. jokes of course!

a secondary problem is that the accusation of racism is of social significance over and above its narrow political context, not only moving towards defamation but also getting into industrial tribunal territory -- which in both cases means lawyering up in other kinds of courts and a case dealt with rapidly but inaccurately much later suddenly returning to explode back all over those who attempted the rapidity

(in these threads i've cnstantly argued that the corbs team eschewing rapidity is more virtue than not in the current mediascape -- with the reservation that i think this is more about temperament and capability than actual strategic choice. it's the strategy bcz JC very much favours non-rapidity, and in many cases he's more right than wrong, BUT he favours it also bcz he's not that great at it, and sometimes in politics it will certainly be needed)

Entirely otm