Seizing back control: The ILX lol brexit is how we're all gonna die thread.

Deliveroo is too fucking expensive now, no way anybody's gonna use it on Victorian wages

well if you are truly a freedom fighter you just need to go out and liberate some more money ... gimme your fucking wallet!

I'm just remembering the time she used "Joy Division" to describe these uber riding freedom fighters or whatever, with no idea where it comes from. Fuck knows how she managed to get through higher education.

TW presumably doesn’t believe a Corbyn government could win a majority - and a Corbyn government would need a big majority so Corbyn could ignore the TW faction the way Blair did Corbyn’s.

Overall though, this and the CW show that Corbyn isn’t good at disciplining people - though this is probably for numbers at this stage??? - the Nia Griffith thing mentioned upthread disgusted me then & still does and no Labour leader who professes to be a friend to Irish people should have countenanced that.

Two of the party’s most distinguished centrists have weighed in:

This has deservedly got news coverage Tom, but you should see some of the DMs I get. Some of them contain some very crude language and ad hominem attacks on my hair. And yet, where is the news coverage and outrage? Why are the media ignoring this?

— Simon Hedges (@Orwell_Fan) July 3, 2019

Mr. Watson, I am Mr. Hedges' lawyer and I have seen some of these awful messages. What is the Labour Party going to do to prevent former members being so mercilessly abused and accused of wearing wigs by anonymous trolls with names like 'tories=nonces' & 'bbq_when_kinnock_dies'?

— Oliver Laughdugry #FBPE #ABTV #TBEU #AKFNLW #Peopl (@laughdugrylegal) July 3, 2019

i think the absence of discipline is primarily the whips' judgment that labour is an uneasily fractious delicately balanced coalition that could easily turn volatile, but firmed up with an additional helping of the habits JC personally learned on the far left (where he was always not bad at staying more or less in with the many factions that loathed one another), as applied to the much less far left (e.g. most of the PLP)

Yeah, definitely agree with that. But he could have disciplined some of these people & they would be no worse off than they are now. Remember the outrage when he sacked Owen Smith?

i think JC's caution is broadly speaking more of an asset than is often recognised but i think it as a strategy it often folds out into a (sometimes demoralising) tactical timidity

His approach to discipline seems to me to have its roots in the idea that Labour is a democratic organisation and it is up to the party to resolve disputes in democratic, or democratically mandated, ways. Making it a lot easier to deselect MPs is going to have more impact on keeping people in line (or in line with their local party) than any attempts to whip them centrally - which is why they are all crying about it in advance.

Watson was elected by the membership so I'm not entirely sure he can be sacked.

Stephen Bush has weighed in on the JC health shite btw, and it’s pretty good as you’d expect. Just pouring one out for the NS finally fixing the Safari workaround, which means no more unlimited free articles for me! Maybe he really does go here...
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2019/07/corbyn-s-unlikely-last-hope-boris-johnson

watson will be sacked by the membership next chance we get.

he should also be moved on from his culture brief - his should be one of the most central and inspiring for the corbyn project. and what has he done with it? diddly zilch

From that NS piece:

His eyesight is worse than it was when he became leader in 2015 – he occasionally texts Diane Abbott, a close ally, in shadow cabinet meetings, and the size of the text on his screen is now large enough that nearby officials and MPs “don’t even have to try” to read the messages.

Also I feel like the TW deputy leader campaign was dependent on support from Unite, which ofc he doesn’t have now.

His approach to discipline seems to me to have its roots in the idea that Labour is a democratic organisation

i mean this is true at an ethical level and JC takes this dimension of politics very seriously, and what you go on to say is a good example of how his approach is about bringing ethics and strategy into alignment with one another -- but i still think his team's distaste for the blair-campbell approach to win-the-day tactics is sometimes a weakness or shall we say a drag

(and not just because it means they often seem to lose the day, which i don't think is as much of a problem as many believe)

what has he done with it? diddly zilch

not true!! his last FM cognomen and selection continue to bring gaiety to an exhausted nation

(or it would if i could remember it, like mbaggy or something?)

baggymp

lol my version is better and also makes less sense

if you were to itemise all the days won in the past few years you’d only have those from inside the GE17 purdah

honestly it has been mentally fatiguing being a “labour supporter” these past few years. I had to rejoin twitter just to get access to some balance and perspective

just listening to Ed Davey's clunky metaphor of describing having a son with disabilities as "going on holiday to Italy but the plane get's diverted to Brussels" what a horribly bizarre metaphor and what a fucking prize pumper.

https://www.autreat.com/dont_mourn.html

Always worth a revive, that

I'm sure Ed Davey's son won't even need a ehcp plan and will get everything he needs privately. But fucking hell .. what a staggeringly reductive and evil thing to say about your own kid on the radio ffs! Fuck these LibDems forever.

Christ, imagine hearing your dad say that about you. “Not what we wanted but we made the best of it.”

I can!

You deserved a better dad!

That’s horrific - I can only hope he gets dragged by every decent person for this.

He won’t be. George Osborne got booed at the Paralympics and nobody cared.

this wasn't a live gaffe either, it was a pre-recorded interview with oily Nick Robinson.

As I say, sadly it's one of the cliches of a certain kind of disability patronization.

"You know, it's like going to open an account at LK Bennett and finding the company's gone into administration"

could you imagine being so relaxed with that kind of cold dead-eyed disablist speak about your own kid that you can say it on national radio and not think you sound like a complete piece of shit? But that does kind of sum up the libdem party perfectly tbh.

That's Sir Ed Davey to you, by the way.

BREAKING: Labour down to 18%, record low in poll

CON 24%(+2)
BREX 23%(+1)
LDEM 20%(+1)
LAB 18%(-2)
GRN 9%(-1)

📉Lowest ever rating with @YouGov back to 2002

📉Only time as low as 18% was IpsosMORI in May’09

📉57% of Lab ‘17 voters back other partieshttps://t.co/DdJkLH2g8b pic.twitter.com/WJrZaHwXXv

— Matt Chorley (@MattChorley) July 3, 2019

oooooooof

lads, it's YouGov

https://britainelects.com/polling/westminster/

yougov co-founded by that fucking clown Zahawi and consistently out with every other pollster.

the same YouGov that "discovered" most people don't care about trains, the same day of a huge season ticket hike etc...

(jiminvancouvertoolong)!

i know it's yougov

oh right your initial "oof" didn't quite show that level of awareness.

yougov is usually, what, a couple points out of the rest?

https://britainelects.com/polling/westminster/

jesus

got a flag for each of those polls

I don't trust any polling company that sounds like a cockney bootblack replying to his city gent customer who has asked what he thinks of him.

jiminavan has been like this for a couple of days. Here he is on the Dem primary thread. Give it a rest, jiminavan!

Whoever is the candidate will lose to trump

― bookmarkflaglink (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 3 July 2019 bookmarkflaglink

But especially biden

― bookmarkflaglink (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 3 July 2019 bookmarkflaglink

That’s a really awful nickname, like even Trump comes up with better nicknames than that.

even Trump

no "even" needed, Trump is good at nicknames!

I am following Trump by not being good at nicknames blame Trump!

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