btw. Just saying, cause I think the names under which they were released might have varied between the US and the UK.
― Alba (Alba), Thursday, 15 December 2005 14:58 (eighteen years ago) link
― Alba (Alba), Thursday, 15 December 2005 15:01 (eighteen years ago) link
I should've posted to the fuckin' nominations thread. I can't believe I'm the only one who gives a shit about Black Hawk Down or Brotherhood of the Wolf. What is the matter with people?
― TOMBOT, Thursday, 15 December 2005 15:27 (eighteen years ago) link
― TOMBOT, Thursday, 15 December 2005 15:29 (eighteen years ago) link
Ocean's 11, sweet Jesus. Come to some non-Hitler furrin films with me this weekend, hon!
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 15 December 2005 15:31 (eighteen years ago) link
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 15 December 2005 15:34 (eighteen years ago) link
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 15 December 2005 15:39 (eighteen years ago) link
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 15 December 2005 16:07 (eighteen years ago) link
― gear (gear), Thursday, 15 December 2005 16:57 (eighteen years ago) link
― TOMBOT, Thursday, 15 December 2005 17:18 (eighteen years ago) link
Well, he did include two of them in the film, didn't he? Though maybe the problem is that he didn't treat them as representatives of a minority rather than characters in story, whose ethnicity has no relevance, only their personality, which is why people don't think of the as "ethnic". Which I think should be seen as a positive thing.
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 15 December 2005 17:36 (eighteen years ago) link
― zzzz, Thursday, 15 December 2005 17:37 (eighteen years ago) link
(x-post)
Race does matter in France, but should race matter in every French movie, even in such a non-realist flick as Amélie?
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 15 December 2005 17:41 (eighteen years ago) link
― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 15 December 2005 17:42 (eighteen years ago) link
― zzzzzz, Thursday, 15 December 2005 17:44 (eighteen years ago) link
― zzzzzz, Thursday, 15 December 2005 17:45 (eighteen years ago) link
― zzzzzzz, Thursday, 15 December 2005 17:46 (eighteen years ago) link
I also didn't nominate L'Esquive, one of my fave films that debuted in NYC this year, about Muslim kids in a Paris project (won a buncha Cesars):
http://www.slantmagazine.com/film/film_review.asp?ID=1506
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 15 December 2005 17:50 (eighteen years ago) link
Or maybe not if, like me, you think that's a gross exaggeration.
― hobart paving (hobart paving), Thursday, 15 December 2005 17:54 (eighteen years ago) link
― zzzzzz, Thursday, 15 December 2005 17:55 (eighteen years ago) link
What are the correct terms, then? I guess the two characters in Amélie could be described as North African, but in the film's world they're quite French and their ethnicity is never discussed. I put "ethnic" in quotes because it is often used as a shorthand for "non-white", even though white people are obviously "ethnic" as well.
Of course terms like "white", "black" and "race" are problematic too, since there's no essential grounds for their usage - they can't be avoided, however, as long as people are being classified according to them.
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 15 December 2005 17:56 (eighteen years ago) link
Good job in mixing my point with a totally different discussion to make it sound suspicious.
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 15 December 2005 17:58 (eighteen years ago) link
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 15 December 2005 17:59 (eighteen years ago) link
― zzzzzzzz, Thursday, 15 December 2005 18:00 (eighteen years ago) link
― zzzzzzz, Thursday, 15 December 2005 18:01 (eighteen years ago) link
― 'Twan (miccio), Thursday, 15 December 2005 18:01 (eighteen years ago) link
― zzzzzz, Thursday, 15 December 2005 18:02 (eighteen years ago) link
― [jailhouse tattoo] (nordicskilla), Thursday, 15 December 2005 18:03 (eighteen years ago) link
― zzzzzz, Thursday, 15 December 2005 18:05 (eighteen years ago) link
Granted, there isn't an in-depth discourse on the nature of race and nationalist hegemony running through Amelie, but since its a slightly twee, nostalgic love story (of sorts) that's not too surprising. My main problem with what you're saying is that you could aim that claim at SO MANY films - most Hollywood love stories, for example. If your sole objection is lack of non-white characters, why select this film in particular?
Also, in your point above, you seem to be suggesting that all characters who are not white should have storylines that make a point of this. Surely this would be a step backwards?
― hobart paving (hobart paving), Thursday, 15 December 2005 18:06 (eighteen years ago) link
handy guide to republican talking points - ethnicity has no relevance, only their personality, which is why people don't think of the as "ethnic". Which I think should be seen as a positive thing.
In this fucking film, not neceessarily in every film, or in general!!! This is getting tedious, I'm off.
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 15 December 2005 18:07 (eighteen years ago) link
x-post to ethan
― 'Twan (miccio), Thursday, 15 December 2005 18:07 (eighteen years ago) link
― hobart paving (hobart paving), Thursday, 15 December 2005 18:10 (eighteen years ago) link
x-post i'm saying that evidently the racism of the film requires knowledge of more than some Louis Malle.
― 'Twan (miccio), Thursday, 15 December 2005 18:11 (eighteen years ago) link
― 'Twan (miccio), Thursday, 15 December 2005 18:12 (eighteen years ago) link
― Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Thursday, 15 December 2005 18:13 (eighteen years ago) link
Do you think the Socialist mayor running Paris is particularly racist? I'm sure there are worse options.
I don't think Paris is an outrageously racist place, at least no more than the rest of the world. I saw more overt racism in, say New York. And far more in Florida.
― hobart paving (hobart paving), Thursday, 15 December 2005 18:17 (eighteen years ago) link
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― Lovelace (Lovelace), Thursday, 15 December 2005 18:20 (eighteen years ago) link
― hobart paving (hobart paving), Thursday, 15 December 2005 18:22 (eighteen years ago) link
― Lovelace (Lovelace), Thursday, 15 December 2005 18:23 (eighteen years ago) link
― 'Twan (miccio), Thursday, 15 December 2005 18:24 (eighteen years ago) link
― 'Twan (miccio), Thursday, 15 December 2005 18:27 (eighteen years ago) link
1. 25th Hour (Lee, 2002)2. Mulholland Dr. (Lynch, 2001)3. Before Sunset (Linklater, 2004)4. Morvern Callar (Ramsay, 2002)5. Twilight Samurai (Yamada, 2002)6. Jackass: The Movie (Tremaine, 2002)7. Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind (Gondry, 2004)8. Dirty Pretty Things (Frears, 2002)9. crazy/beautiful (Stockwell, 2001)10. City Of God (Meirelles, Lund, 2002)11. Gosford Park (Altman, 2002)12. Kill Bill: Vol. 1 (Tarantino, 2003)13. The Good Thief (Jordan, 2002)14. Wonder Boys (Hanson, 2000)15. Traffic (Soderbergh, 2000)
― Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Thursday, 15 December 2005 18:31 (eighteen years ago) link
― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Thursday, 15 December 2005 18:32 (eighteen years ago) link
01. George Washington (Green, 2000)02. Time of the Wolf (Haneke, 2003)03. The Return (Zvyagintsev, 2003)04. 25th Hour (Lee, 2002)05. La Cienaga (Martel, 2001)06. Bright Leaves (McElwee, 2003)07. Crimson Gold (Panahi, 2003)08. The Ninth Day (Schlondorff, 2004)09. Los Angeles Plays Itself (Andersen, 2003)10. Elephant (van Sant, 2003)11. Million Dollar Baby (Eastwood, 2004)12. Mulholland Dr. (Lynch, 2001)13. What Time is It There? (Tsai, 2001)14. Wisconsin Death Trip (Marsh, 1999)15. Saddest Music in the World (Maddin, 2003)
least:
Dogville (von Trier, 2003)Lost in Translation (Coppola, 2003)The Dreamers (Bertolucci, 2003)
― a spectator bird (a spectator bird), Thursday, 15 December 2005 19:05 (eighteen years ago) link
Lost In TranslationThe DreamersIchi The Killer
― Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Thursday, 15 December 2005 19:11 (eighteen years ago) link
― Matt #2 (Matt #2), Thursday, 15 December 2005 19:18 (eighteen years ago) link
― a spectator bird (a spectator bird), Thursday, 15 December 2005 19:20 (eighteen years ago) link