2020 Democratic presidential primary

nice to see so many of you brainfuct by polls

it's a thread about elections morb and the elections are a year away. if you want a thread about the issues then start one.

xp they only seem to pay nominal attention to her in the local papers just by sheer local-angle reflex

considering how provincial MN is and our usual obsession with the local angle, it's pretty muted

"Alan Greenspan, our national economic leader, stood up for the last four years and told Americans 'Borrow against your house.'"—Warren in 2004. pic.twitter.com/HHd2HORYye

— Ninja Economics (@NinjaEconomics) July 2, 2019

xxp, no, he's not saying she's the same person as she was then, just that it's somehow more useful to show-trial her for who she was then than discuss who she is now.

DP attacks male pols on the same grounds. all. the. time.

more useful to show-trial her

is there a 'shouting Stalin' equiv to Godwin's Law btw?

i'm out til you nudniks get less... this way

see you tomorrow morbs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_u3YRZb74w

lmao -- truly booming post

Elizabeth Warren should have spent the 90s collecting paychecks from Bill fucking Maher like Dennis Perrin did

Whoever is the candidate will lose to trump

But especially biden

thanks for your words of encouragement, very helpful.

lol I tried to Google Dennis Perrin and he's not even the most famous Dennis Perrin

http://www.dennisperrinfineart.com/about

did y'all know that kamala harris was literally never a cop

that sounds like something a cop would say

just ask her directly during the debate - police are legally required to identify themselves if you ask them, is what i heard, many people are saying

p sure the idea of the "cop" tag is to make a point about the role of prosecutors in the criminal justice system, and/or skepticism of harris's likelihood to seek meaningful or systematic reform of said system. people do not think that she leaves the debate stage and dons a blue uniform and a badge.

by the way, someone upthread was asking about whether or not there'd be 20 candidates in the next debate as well. i thought no way, no way. but yes way, that is what DNC is doing. the next debate will have 20 people again, spread out over 2 nights again. apparently swalwell (who sucks) might be out and bullock might be in.

on one hand, having this many candidates is just ridiculous and bad. BUT, i do think that in some ways it could be good for there to be a ton of democrats on stage, generally expressing reasonable opinions, for at least a little while, during this early stage of the primary season. if nothing else, it helps to establish some sort of identify for democrats for voters, the things that they have in common. a person who doesn't follow politics can tune in for a little bit and get a general sense of where the democratic party stands on various issues. that might come in handy later on during the election, when people are trying to decide which lever to pull for no-name candidates that just have a R or a D by their name (i know, polarization, most people have already picked their team)

compare that to 2016 version, which was basically just clinton vs sanders with guest appearances by o'malley and fucking jim webb. that had the effect of diminishing the democratic party as a whole, in some ways - it was less about the ideas that democrats support, and more just a battle of two personalities representing opposing wings of the party

isn't it possible there will be more people in the debate this time? or has the fundraising window already closed?

it's possible that more people will qualify, but i think they have a hard limit of 20. they use polling averages to make the last cuts to 20, i think.

the threshold for the September debate is higher - 538's current estimate is that only 8 candidates would meet it

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/6/27/18679029/2020-democratic-second-debate-july-cnn

also surely some of these jamokes are gonna run out of money sometime

bullockmentum

the "cop" tag is to make a point about the role of prosecutors in the criminal justice system

more importantly, "cop" is a damning pejorative, meant to place her on an equal footing with the cops who swagger around with guns on their hips and hassle anyone who's not white middle class. It is a label that diminishes and dismisses its object.

^^^

it's commonly deployed to undercut any goodwill re: her status as a black woman

i think she'll make an excellent AG.

assuming they're going to to ACTUALLY PROSECUTE Trump admin crimes

(and yes i'll obv vote for her if she's the nom)

somehow i'm gonna guess that a hypothetical new democratic administration isn't going to prosecute anyone in the trump administration

it will be time for the nation to move on, to heal, to take on new challenges, bullshit, etc etc

Not likely to vote for him but this is good

HAPPENING NOW: @SenBooker escorts victims of abuse seeking asylum across the Santa Fe bridge from Juárez, Mexico to El Paso, TX. The asylum seekers were sent back to Mexico under the MPP program. They have asked for their identities to be protected. @CoryBooker pic.twitter.com/FKXcIZAmHC

— Andrew Kimmel (@andrewkimmel) July 3, 2019

Booker would actually be an ideal AG given his dedication to reforming the prison system.
While we’re at it we can give EPA to Inslee

I'd say the "cop" label is also possibly a direct appeal to supporters of Black Lives Matter.

Whoever is the candidate will lose to trump

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-predicted-to-lose-reelection-in-model-that-forecasted-democratic-takeover-of-house/ar-AADHrcS?ocid=HPCOMMDHP15

It's pretty far out to be making such a confident call but hopeful at least. Much more so than this pretty strong argument against hope:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jun/20/four-reasons-why-trump-is-cruising-towards-re-election

That was fast

This should’ve been super predictable because the white California liberals who make up the bedrock of Kamala’s support have always hated busing fervently. https://t.co/3KkqbgsH6F

— Scott Frazier (@safrazie) July 4, 2019

there's no way busing would improve the fucked-up-beyond-repair segregation of our public schools, nor would it rescind the SCOTUS decision that allowed the linking of property taxes and the funding of public schools.

something weird about this tweet/headline...

Harris, Warren tie for third place in new 2020 Dem poll, but Biden still leadshttps://t.co/5tltSmJZed

— POLITICO (@politico) July 4, 2019

surprised no one’s doing a “who’s on first” routine in the replies

It's hilarious how much of a consistent hate-on Politico has always had for Bernie Sanders and for the far left in general. They were also the ones who paid to have his old public access TV show's archives digitized just so they could comb through them for anything that could form the basis for a hit piece. In the end, they didn't find much but they wrote the hit piece anyway, complaining about completely accurate and morally right-headed statements he made about Nicaragua, the Zapatistas, etc.

But they gave us some A+ footage of Bernie with mall goths.

Yeah, it's almost worth all the yellow journalism just for that clip of him talking about anarchism with them.

Politico was started to normalize a lot of really rightwing columnists, was the rumor back then.

NEWS - @TomSteyer told his staff last week that he's jumping into the presidential race after all, and is planning an announcement on Tuesday https://t.co/GttjRy0DRK

— Edward-Isaac Dovere (@IsaacDovere) July 8, 2019

Who?

If Steyer's main issue is impeachment, then running for president is totally illogical. If he wins, impeachment is moot. If he loses, he has no leverage to impeach that he doesn't already have.

I guess the one thing his campaign could conceivably do is to act as a single-issue proxy for democrats who desire impeachment to rally around, so that, if he were to draw strong support around that single issue, it would uncloak the appetite for impeachment in a more compelling way than simple opinion polling. But several of the announced candidates have come out strongly for impeachment already, so what is the point?

BREAKING: Eric Swalwell does not handle sweltering well, cowardly ends presidential campaign

Rep. Eric Swalwell (D-CA) is reportedly set to end his presidential campaign.

According to the LA Times, Swalwell will abandon his campaign on Monday and announce that he’ll be running for a fifth term as a congressman.

Swalwell, who consistently trailed the polls at 1 percent or less, is the first to drop out from the mammoth Democratic field of more than 20 candidates.

my sensationalist NY Post style headlines need some work.

Swal-ya-later

Swallen to Bursting