2020 Democratic presidential primary

New Quinnipiac National Poll (6/28 - 7/1):
Biden 22%
Harris 20%
Warren 14%
Sanders 13%
Buttigieg 4%
Booker 3%
All the rest at 1% or lesshttps://t.co/xhNqqT7crr

— David Wright (@DavidWright_CNN) July 2, 2019

that was fast. rip biden (🤞🏻)

wow

wau @ Bernie

I guess all Harris needed was to be able to talk on tv

Buttmentum seems to have subsided a bit too

Bernie and Warren still pretty much where they were pre-debate

this seems like it might come up if Harris keeps on as a frontrunner

https://theintercept.com/2019/06/09/kamala-harris-san-francisco-catholic-church-child-abuse/

Bernie and Warren still pretty much where they were pre-debate

― i will never make a typo ever again (Karl Malone),

Sanders was a solid #2 in most polls, no?

from the last QU poll done almost a month ago:

harris +13
booker +2
warren -1
o'rourke -2
buttigieg -4
sanders -6
biden -8

xpost % wise, i mean - they've both been hovering in the mid-teens, and in this poll they're in a statistical tie.

politico poll is the only one that has data right before the debate and right after. warren and sanders stayed where they were, harris ate into biden's lead, o'rourke lost some support.

Sounds like somebody better get to standing on some more tables...

the Intercept is a joke, conveys about the same amount of reliable/useful info as a shitty Dennis Perrin tweet

xps

I should probably stay out of this but just the idea of painting Hallinan as this tireless incorruptible paragon of virtue and Harris as a "she MUST be corrupt" cop is such ahistorical horseshit.

armchair lawyers litigating arcane legal maneuvering, what could go wrong

I mean the Intercept and Redstate are both running that "story", what does that tell you

what a coincidence that rightwing sources fed this to the AP to offset her debate performance, irrespective of any discussion of the actual legal issues involved

I abandoned ILX politics threads cuz I was getting p tired of the same old arguments and readily identifiable bullshit showing up constantly, evidence of our community's media-sifting not actually being better than any other fishbowl, it was just depressing

anyway...

based on MomTalk(tm) it seems like Harris provided a large percentage of the electorate the catharsis of seeing a woman tell an old white guy they were full of shit
dunno how lasting that gain will be

if she keeps doing it every time around I don't see it getting old

xp We'll have to see if old white guys continue spouting off shit going forward, I guess.

i guess i'm just suggesting that for the MomTalk(tm) demographic, any woman telling an old white guy he's full of shit will do

and, tbf, that's really Warren's jam

Pure horse race bullshit of the kind I profess to dislike but my take is: Harris is different enough to Biden to make people feel like they are voting for change while also feeling like a warm fuzzy continuation of Obama in both a policy and demographic sense.

next debate has a tougher threshold for admittance, right? no more of this two-night bullshit

I abandoned ILX politics threads cuz I was getting p tired of the same old arguments and readily identifiable bullshit showing up constantly, evidence of our community's media-sifting not actually being better than any other fishbowl, it was just depressing

hey if the story is total trash then fine but what I haven't spotted yet (here or in the wild) is an actual substantive refutation

The argument is predicated on the assumption that her declining to release those records was wrong, which the vast majority of the public is not qualified to judge. No refutation is required. The projection of suspect rationales onto Harris is what should carry the burdenof proof.

She was not required by law to releae those records. There could be all kinds of legal reasons for not doing so. Hallinan was a sloppy lawyer who was subsequently (for reasons not related to this issue tbc) disciplined by the Bar and is no longer allowed to practice law in CA.

The story makes arguments in bad faith and obscures them by highlighting abused victims. What is the argument being made? That she’s afraid of the Catholic Church? Hardcore catholucs were pillorying her for anti-Catholic bias just last year. That she doesnt actually prosecute abusers? This is demonstrably false based on her prosecutorial record. It’s abs hitjob from start to finish and u carried water for rightwing agent provocateurs, good job.

I’ve said my piece, I’m out

preciate u fam

same! I figured there had to be holes since the story was about a month old and I'd only just heard of it now

shakey pretty much otm

This poll from @IndivisibleTeam is astonishing. Remember: Indivisible members helped Dems flip the House-- they're local organizers in all 50 states, including red/purple districts.

Now 42% say they're NOT considering Biden and 45% said they're NOT considering Bernie pic.twitter.com/sN6AURdmBt

— Charlotte Alter (@CharlotteAlter) July 2, 2019

Sharing mostly because Klobuchar can't seem to get anyone to pay attention to her.

well, she sucks

who the fuck is wayne messam?!

xp they only seem to pay nominal attention to her in the local papers just by sheer local-angle reflex

san antonio paper covers julian castro with more gusto, too.

is that a poll of the public or of people working for indivisible?

nice to see so many of you brainfuct by polls

it's a thread about elections morb and the elections are a year away. if you want a thread about the issues then start one.

xp they only seem to pay nominal attention to her in the local papers just by sheer local-angle reflex

considering how provincial MN is and our usual obsession with the local angle, it's pretty muted

"Alan Greenspan, our national economic leader, stood up for the last four years and told Americans 'Borrow against your house.'"—Warren in 2004. pic.twitter.com/HHd2HORYye

— Ninja Economics (@NinjaEconomics) July 2, 2019

xxp, no, he's not saying she's the same person as she was then, just that it's somehow more useful to show-trial her for who she was then than discuss who she is now.

DP attacks male pols on the same grounds. all. the. time.

more useful to show-trial her

is there a 'shouting Stalin' equiv to Godwin's Law btw?

i'm out til you nudniks get less... this way

see you tomorrow morbs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_u3YRZb74w

lmao -- truly booming post