Seizing back control: The ILX lol brexit is how we're all gonna die thread.

not psycho xenophobes at all

Can anyone enlighten me how many times this has happened in parliaments? The only time I have heard of this happening before was the Nazi’s in the 1930s.

this is going to help the negotiations for the deal tremendously.

this is going to help the negotiations for the deal tremendously.

twice, even

shitting my pants at the european parliament to own the damn eurocrats

Here are Nazi party members at the Berlin Reichstag doing exactly the same thing, in exactly the same way, for exactly the same reasons. pic.twitter.com/LzzvcaKNcQ

— Glyn Arthur (@GPEArthur) July 2, 2019

At least the nazi's made good use of their time turned around by reading the daily Zeitung, it seems.

xps was hoping for a fizzles post! god save our inexpert forum. this is the first time I've seen something like this articulated and as a tantalising/frustrating sketch is largely pointing towards good further questions. this model recognises the importance of stakeholders, which seems to be coming up a lot lately (even in nassim taleb's new book lol) and it's good to see something more seriously long-term and significant than cranking up the dial or putting a few worker's representatives on company boards laid out. the question of how/who determines how a common association and joint enterprise are comprised would be critical (who governs the governors), and yes it seems clear it would be v obvious in some cases and not at all in others (perhaps this is part of what is meant in talking about the necessary conditions for commoning? PCPs beget further PCPs?).

part of what's so encouraging to me about this model is that it steals the tory trick of making part of the economy more insulated from central govt but instead of handing it to the private sector devolves governance locally. it can exist within/despite a tory govt and could help make the local economy more resistant to future central govt cuts. if we are serious about investment factoring in wider social impact, well-being &c. then the issue of stakeholders is crucial or you are relying on the caprices of the govt/national electorate/media. this is about addressing the undemocratic nature of the current model.

if PCPs were widespread you can see how they would be interconnected, how this would create a different economic culture and how they might help sustain each other, but it's unclear how you'd get to that point even with a labour govt pushing for it. investment is the main problem (as it is under the current model!) and I'm not sure how much can be generated locally, or how this would affect redistribution across regions. devolution without some mechanism for investing in a way that addresses these inequalities can end up with a situation like wales.

I am barely awake and am resolved that all political matters are to be resolved by a committee of sleep-deprived ilxors

Lib Dems at it as well:

Absolutely idiotic scenes here, genuinely embarrassing. pic.twitter.com/KawvW0gsax

— Flying_Rodent (@flying_rodent) July 2, 2019

"god save our inexpert forum."

you can praise a good fizzles post without resorting to such pompous dickery y'know!

lol we're all gonna die

Lib Dems, the adults in the room

"part of what's so encouraging to me about this model is that it steals the tory trick of making part of the economy more insulated from central govt but instead of handing it to the private sector devolves governance locally."

Will read this later but this is encouraging. By-passing electoralism, making the UK 'non-governable' as a task to be accomplished. This is what people who focus on Corbyn or who the next Labour leader might be, or whether Labour right or left are in charge, will never understand.

they'll do anything to prop up a right wing tory government rather than a mildly centre-left labour one, so they are effectively a pro-brexit party.

the PLP is the ladder which we aspire to throw away. calz please respect my religious beliefs

i didn't know *that* was a religion, but anyway peace on all message boards and all that ..

brexit beatle is on it:

If Johnson suspends parliament, we will have to do a lot more than a big march on a Saturday. Revolts and revolutions have happened over less. On some days, it feels like parliament is all we have left.

— John Harris (@johnharris1969) July 1, 2019

and accepting no pushback:

Ps this is no time to be joining in any noise about the supposed uselessness of liberal institutions. For all their shortcomings, the last 3 years has proved they're our only real firewall against no end of horrors https://t.co/N3uvEKPsMw

— John Harris (@johnharris1969) July 1, 2019

the last 3 years has proved they're our only real firewall against no end of horrors

<citation needed>

in ACAB news

JACK’S STORY: today we want to tell you all how a 14-year-old Derbyshire boy was labelled a #DomesticExtremist because he said in class – in a lesson on the US civil rights movement – that he is an anti-fascist and how his family was then hounded by counter-terrorism police pic.twitter.com/KFeq7VAODX

— Netpol (@policemonitor) July 2, 2019

the ex-crap Melody Maker hacks transition from ever so slightly miffed graun melt to domestic extremist is a text-book case of radical indoctrination.. he's a bloody anarchist now!

assuming the Netpol story is broadly correct than the first point of douche there is the teachers that dobbed the kid in

It doesn't seem true to me. I did a quick gs on "anti-fascist schoolboy Derbyshire" and it returned stuff about Farage's school teachers being concerned that he was a professed racist and a neo-fascist back in the early 80's. No flies on them ... no shit sherlock etc...

I'm not 100% sure about this but didn't UKIP MEPs do something similar at the start of the last European Parliament?

yes indeed https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-28113979

labour going in on this civil service story. they must be worried that the BXP insurgency could tarnish their anti-establishment credentials

Your face when you've just had someone ask if you're lost & then you're told to leave, on your first day at work. 🤦🏾‍♂️

I know I'm visibily different. I don't have the privilege to hide my identity. I'm BLACK & my name is Magid. I don't intend to try fit in. Get used to it!
👊🏾💚 pic.twitter.com/HhWG63kE9U

— 🚀MΛG!D (@MagicMagid) July 2, 2019

to be fair bud you're wearing a sweary T-shirt

they’re sending useful shots across the bow of whitehall’s supercilious mandarins too - “we will expect you to implement this milquetoast european social democracy, guys”

All that's left for the Brexit Party to do is to burn down the European Parliament and pin it on some hapless boob.

no way to describe brave Nigel etc.

to be fair bud you're wearing a sweary T-shirt

― Rory end to the lowenbrow (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 2 July 2019

Yeah lol, it was more of an addition to my earlier link to politicians behaving in odd ways on their first day at the EU. Do we need another demonstration about what the EU is or is not.

It's basically Freshers Week, they're all signalling to the pricks not to bother trying to talk to them in the bar later.

this story is based on one email

A small group of members are trying to bully another pregnant MP out of the Party. This reprehensible behaviour cannot be tolerated. We will not accept bullying and threats in our ranks. The entire shadow cabinet will want to publicly condemn this too. https://t.co/7imry32iOP

— Tom Watson (@tom_watson) July 3, 2019

here's an idea Tom. Next time you've finished pumping some steroids up your arse and doing the workout to Polo G then maybe look for some dirt on the Conservative party rather than your own party, and maybe check if it is substantial before gobshiteing about it on twitter.

Williamson is way more likely to be deselected than she is but the responses to that tweet from people rallying around him are unhelpful to say the least.

calzino blazingly otm

never read the comments applies as equally to posts by blue ticks on twitter dot com as it does to below the line on CONhome

Yeah I'm guessing they're mostly non-Labour members with no connection to Lewisham in any case. Let's not pretend the Guardian doesn't know exactly what it's doing in giving undue prominence to this story as well.

i've not read the details because sanity but i'm sure Orwell would be proud of calls for deselection being described as "bullying"

clear any members of the PLP which face deselection will plough a similar furrow.

also wouldn’t be surprised to see them use the LD’s “we won’t support a corbyn-led labour” as the cassus belli for their next assault on the summit

“corbynism has proved its constituency in the country - it’s corbyn is the problem... pls ignore the fact we would never implement any of his already lukewarm programme”

Frankly I'm surprised Toby Helm hasn't already published an article entitled CORBYN WARNED: PROTECT PREGNANT MP OR FACE ELECTION WIPEOUT

https://www.google.com/search?q=guardian+labour+warned+referendum

Or to put it another way there's a noisy minority of Corbyn supporters who are apparently unable to distinguish between healthy and unhealthy dissent and all these people do is provide convenient ammo to people like Watson who, to put it mildly, is not acting in good faith here.

Watson doesn't need the 'some of the membership are cranks' excuse to act like this.

will provide him a well-socialised pretext to purge the party membership and ‘rehabilitate’ the brand though, should they ever succeed

Watson was responsible for knifing Blair as well - he doesn't have sufficient support from either wing of the party to become leader and can't be trusted by whoever does take over. If he wasn't the elected deputy he'd be gone by now.

Yes, he might talk a lot but he rarely ever achieves anything other than column inches in anti-Labour newspapers.