No one except the very posh says "have you a pet?" though. For some reason brevity doesn't win and people prefer to say "have you got a pet?".
― Alba, Monday, 1 July 2019 15:50 (four years ago) link
Sorry, I misread your point. You're right: I'm as likely to say "do you have a pet?" as "have you got a pet?" though with the former I'd probably be stressing the "you" or "have" depending on context.
― Alba, Monday, 1 July 2019 15:53 (four years ago) link
does one pet
― mark s, Monday, 1 July 2019 15:54 (four years ago) link
That is an elegant solution
― Alba, Monday, 1 July 2019 15:57 (four years ago) link
"Do ye huv a pet, yersel, big yin?"
― Orpheus Knutt (Tom D.), Monday, 1 July 2019 17:35 (four years ago) link
"Strongman" hey journos have you ever thought about NOT encouraging its use?
― nashwan, Monday, 1 July 2019 17:36 (four years ago) link
"Hunk" is an acceptable alternative
― Alba, Monday, 1 July 2019 17:58 (four years ago) link
Yeah, prior to the Celtic influence it *was* normal (or rather, unmarked) in English to say "have you an X?" because the "do you have an X?" construction didn't exist in English. It's still intelligible to English speakers but is very strongly marked as either archaic or posh.
― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Monday, 1 July 2019 17:59 (four years ago) link
this is funny:
"I GOT on Horseback within ten Minutes after I received your Letter. When I GOT to Canterbury I GOT a Chaise for Town. But I GOT wet through before I GOT to Canterbury, and I HAVE GOT such a Cold as I shall not be able to GET rid of in a Hurry. I GOT to the Treasury about Noon, but first of all I GOT shaved and drest. I soon GOT into the Secret of GETTING a Memorial before the Board, but I could not GET an Answer then, however I GOT Intelligence from the Messenger that I should most likely GET one the next Morning. As soon as I GOT back to my Inn, I GOT my Supper, and GOT to Bed, it was not long before I GOT to Sleep. When I GOT up in the Morning, I GOT my Breakfast, and then GOT myself drest, that I might GET out in Time to GET an Answer to my Memorial. As soon as I GOT it, I GOT into the Chaise, and GOT to Canterbury by three: and about Tea Time, I GOT Home. I HAVE GOT No thing particular for you, and so Adieu." [Philip Withers, "Aristarchus, or the Principles of Composition," London, 1789, illustrating the widespread use of the verb in Modern English]
― mark s, Monday, 1 July 2019 18:04 (four years ago) link
prior to the Celtic influence...
iow, chalk it up to imperialist blowback
― A is for (Aimless), Monday, 1 July 2019 18:04 (four years ago) link
Not sure I buy this 'Celtic influence' argument tbh. Sure, it's there in the West of Scotland but I'm not convinced it's even there in the East of Scotland, let alone the Anglosphere at large.
― Orpheus Knutt (Tom D.), Monday, 1 July 2019 18:10 (four years ago) link
The linguistic argument is that no parallel construction exists in other Germanic languages (or even Romance) but is very much present in Celtic languages. So you have to consider what is more likely: it arose spontaneously in English but no other languages in the Germanic family, or it is a result of exposure to and transference from Celtic languages. The former is rare, the latter is very common.
― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Monday, 1 July 2019 18:31 (four years ago) link
have you a drink
will you have a drink
do you take a drink
are you having a drink
drink, pet?
― godfellaz (darraghmac), Monday, 1 July 2019 18:38 (four years ago) link
this is good stuff f. hazel btw will you take yr own thread just now
― godfellaz (darraghmac), Monday, 1 July 2019 18:39 (four years ago) link
I blame the Welsh, in that case.
― Orpheus Knutt (Tom D.), Monday, 1 July 2019 18:40 (four years ago) link
would endorse xp
― Uptown VONC (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 1 July 2019 18:42 (four years ago) link
Likewise!
― pomenitul, Monday, 1 July 2019 18:46 (four years ago) link
Is it that you have a pet? mainly Fr.
― Alba, Monday, 1 July 2019 18:48 (four years ago) link
i blame the picts
― mark s, Monday, 1 July 2019 18:50 (four years ago) link
does one pict
the rolling linguistic thread tends to sink and vanish so I go where the action is
― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Monday, 1 July 2019 18:54 (four years ago) link
its where you d'be
― damarraghcas.jpg (darraghmac), Monday, 1 July 2019 19:04 (four years ago) link
Have you the time
To listen to me whine
I think if "do" is "meaningless" then so are formulations like the French "est-ce que..." they are readying words that signal "hey I am about to ask you a question, listen up."
Is it the case that you have a pet?
― Velcromancer (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 1 July 2019 22:00 (four years ago) link
ah stop stop or ill have to go and read some flann o brian
― damarraghcas.jpg (darraghmac), Monday, 1 July 2019 22:21 (four years ago) link
Ok everyone stop saying “timeline”― omar little, Wednesday, 23 May 2018 7:31 AM (one year ago)
― an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Monday, 1 July 2019 22:29 (four years ago) link
Don't read too much into that use of "meaningless", it is just a way of saying they are syntactically necessary but semantically empty.
― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Monday, 1 July 2019 22:43 (four years ago) link
please start a thread!
― damarraghcas.jpg (darraghmac), Monday, 1 July 2019 23:01 (four years ago) link
xxxp do you even lift
― an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Monday, 1 July 2019 23:06 (four years ago) link
F Hazel isn’t the type for that, too humble 💕
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Monday, 1 July 2019 23:08 (four years ago) link
"published thought leader"
how does anyone put that in their bio (or allow someone to put it in their bio) without wanting to die, honestly
(...this is the point in the post where I realise that not finishing a rhetorical question with a "?" is a usage that will annoy the shit out of many, but using one is perhaps now also in that category)
― a passing spacecadet, Tuesday, 2 July 2019 09:20 (four years ago) link
i think we are well on the way to eliminating the question mark?
― damarraghcas.jpg (darraghmac), Tuesday, 2 July 2019 09:21 (four years ago) link
then that "do" marker mentioned upthread will be even more useful!
(that was an interesting discussion, thank you and sorry that I barged in here for some random bristling at the "entrepreneur" "disruptor" "curious! I am very intelligent" crowd instead)
― a passing spacecadet, Tuesday, 2 July 2019 09:30 (four years ago) link
'Besties'
― frame casual (dog latin), Tuesday, 2 July 2019 10:08 (four years ago) link
'janky'
― pomenitul, Thursday, 4 July 2019 07:43 (four years ago) link
Besties OTM, never heard of janky until imago used it to describe Black Midi the other day on ILM.
― Orpheus Knutt (Tom D.), Thursday, 4 July 2019 08:19 (four years ago) link
It's ubiquitous in the video game community. Every non-AAA game is described as 'janky'.
― pomenitul, Thursday, 4 July 2019 08:21 (four years ago) link
That explains why I've never heard it before tbh.
― Orpheus Knutt (Tom D.), Thursday, 4 July 2019 08:24 (four years ago) link
It may also be more prevalent in North America.
― pomenitul, Thursday, 4 July 2019 08:38 (four years ago) link
Cancelled is one that ppl profess to hate but I legit never came across it until the scornful usage became ubiquitous; I’ve heard it a billion times in the last year or so but if I never heard a sarcastic “I guess x is cancelled now” that would be more like zero. So, thanks for keeping that one alive guys I guess
― shhh / let peaceful like things (wins), Friday, 5 July 2019 18:36 (four years ago) link
janky been around since at least the 90s
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 5 July 2019 18:38 (four years ago) link
late 80's, but left before the release of the stone roses iirc
― phil neville jacket (darraghmac), Friday, 5 July 2019 22:36 (four years ago) link
I love on that leaked Tom Cruise Scientology video where’s he all “I’ve cancelled that in my area”
― brimstead, Friday, 5 July 2019 22:41 (four years ago) link
'Entrée' for 'main course'. It's audibly and visibly related to the English word 'entry', which should give you a tip as to which part of the meal it refers to.
― pomenitul, Sunday, 14 July 2019 20:52 (four years ago) link
yes but it's the entry to the pudding, the only good and actual course
― mark s, Sunday, 14 July 2019 20:56 (four years ago) link
'if i'm being honest'
― mookieproof, Sunday, 14 July 2019 21:28 (four years ago) link
Consider that the term might derive from the manner in which that course is served and not only the point during the meal when it is served.
― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Sunday, 14 July 2019 22:17 (four years ago) link
like...on a tray?
― Number None, Sunday, 14 July 2019 22:33 (four years ago) link
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Service_%C3%A0_la_russe
― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Sunday, 14 July 2019 23:32 (four years ago) link
But the term doesn't derive from the service à la russe: in the sense of 'first course', it is attested in French (Littré) as early as the 16th century and by the mid 18th century, it had been imported into English (OED).
― pomenitul, Monday, 15 July 2019 07:51 (four years ago) link
“Cancelled” and “keep his/her name out of your mouth”
― El Tomboto, Tuesday, 16 July 2019 17:47 (four years ago) link