I'll periodically repost the nominations document:
http://docs.google.com/document/d/12Ts0EtUkx1eDgstQGLQePHbwFtBGL5rbyDtIyRtziek/edit
xyzzzz: by Black Panthers, do you mean The Black Panthers: Vanguard of the Revolution from a few years ago, or is it something earlier?
― clemenza, Sunday, 30 June 2019 17:52 (five years ago) link
Should The Human Condition be treated as one film or three (haven't seen it)?
― clemenza, Sunday, 30 June 2019 17:54 (five years ago) link
There’s a Varda doc called black panthers
― shhh / let peaceful like things (wins), Sunday, 30 June 2019 17:56 (five years ago) link
Thanks--I'll include both (I've seen the more recent).
― clemenza, Sunday, 30 June 2019 17:58 (five years ago) link
xxp erm it's a trilogy based on one novel iirc and splitting it up takes up more room ..
― calzino, Sunday, 30 June 2019 17:59 (five years ago) link
well one six-volume novel.. but different times!
― calzino, Sunday, 30 June 2019 18:00 (five years ago) link
Chinatown
― shhh / let peaceful like things (wins), Sunday, 30 June 2019 18:03 (five years ago) link
army of shadows
― devvvine, Sunday, 30 June 2019 18:05 (five years ago) link
Sansho The Bailiff
feudal politics is politics
― calzino, Sunday, 30 June 2019 18:14 (five years ago) link
A City of Sadness
― calzino, Sunday, 30 June 2019 18:29 (five years ago) link
Le Gai savoir
― Orpheus Knutt (Tom D.), Sunday, 30 June 2019 18:35 (five years ago) link
Citizen KaneA Lion Is in the Streets
― Orpheus Knutt (Tom D.), Sunday, 30 June 2019 18:38 (five years ago) link
All the King's Men (1949 version)
― Orpheus Knutt (Tom D.), Sunday, 30 June 2019 18:41 (five years ago) link
Clemenza - sorry yeah meant the Varda
― xyzzzz__, Sunday, 30 June 2019 19:09 (five years ago) link
Which Suddenly, sic--the old Sinatra film or the quasi-remake?
Having just gotten to the 1954 this month after a year on my Kanopy queue, I am mad at you for revealing a Uwe Boll remake
― quelle sprocket damage (sic), Sunday, 30 June 2019 19:38 (five years ago) link
Point of Order, Millhouse: A White Comedy. There are other de Antonio films that would fit too--those are two I've seen.
...So Goes the Nation, Horns and Halos.
― clemenza, Sunday, 30 June 2019 20:25 (five years ago) link
Crisis: Behind a Presidential CommitmentMeet John DoeOctober: Ten Days That Shook the World
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Sunday, 30 June 2019 20:49 (five years ago) link
good work clemenza. This is turning into a really good thread already and giving me new things to watch.
― calzino, Sunday, 30 June 2019 20:55 (five years ago) link
Thanks. I was thinking about Meet John Doe too--the perils of populism (depending upon your tolerance for Capra...like It's a Wonderful Life, actually quite a grim film).
Completely forgot what could conceivably be my #1 (and will have a hard time getting any other votes): The Champions, Donald Brittain's three-part documentary on Trudeau and Levesque that I've plugged on other threads.
― clemenza, Sunday, 30 June 2019 21:10 (five years ago) link
Harlan County, USAfeatures a union politician and election, not government. I think it counts.
― adam the (abanana), Sunday, 30 June 2019 21:25 (five years ago) link
oh and here's a bad one that could only exist during the clinton years. republicans and democrats, they bicker! two gay panic jokes in the trailer.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_57GKDXmXKk(my fellow americans, in case it's ever removed)
― adam the (abanana), Sunday, 30 June 2019 21:33 (five years ago) link
Harlan County for sure.
I should never have brought that bit up about politicians and elections. I was just trying to keep a potentially mammoth nomination list under control. But things like Harlan Country, Carlos, Welfare, and countless other films obviously belong. If the nomination list ends up being huge, not a big deal.
In that spirit, I'll add Malcolm X (on just about every online list I see), The Weather Underground, and Guerrilla: The Taking of Patty Hearst.
― clemenza, Sunday, 30 June 2019 21:41 (five years ago) link
That My Fellow Americans trailer looks like a parody (and not a particularly good one) of 90s high concept comedy. Also, I count three gay panic jokes--the Dykes on Bikes, the Pride parade, the sleeping guy fondling Lemmon.
― Herman Woke (cryptosicko), Sunday, 30 June 2019 22:14 (five years ago) link
I've never seen this but it sounds awesome, Old Mother Riley, MP .
https://d1t80wr11ktjcz.cloudfront.net/movieposters/h12/AllPhotos/71771/p71771_i_h12_ab.jpg
― Orpheus Knutt (Tom D.), Sunday, 30 June 2019 22:20 (five years ago) link
“Duck, You Sucker!” / A Fistful Of Dynamite
― El Tomboto, Sunday, 30 June 2019 22:36 (five years ago) link
not a fan of Anthony Eden, but his excellent command of the French language in The Sorrow and The Pity is noteworthy.
― calzino, Sunday, 30 June 2019 23:29 (five years ago) link
Looks like this could be a series of by-decade polls instead, clemenza
― quelle sprocket damage (sic), Monday, 1 July 2019 00:24 (five years ago) link
― clemenza, Sunday, June 30, 2019 9:10 PM (yesterday)
clemenza -- i remember you mentioning this doc before and have thought about checking it out. would you say it's accessible even if you don't know much about canadian politics?
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Monday, 1 July 2019 00:38 (five years ago) link
I think so, yes. They're basically a Canadian version of Kennedy-Nixon; they come to prominence at almost the same time, start as friends, end up as (sometimes bitter) rivals, and they even match stylistically: Trudeau's the glamour guy, Levesque the rumpled plodder (except in Quebec, where he's god). The one major difference is that Levesque, whatever you thought of his goal of breaking apart the country, comes across as someone with boundless integrity.
You can watch the whole thing online if you're interested:
https://www.nfb.ca/film/champions_part_1/https://www.nfb.ca/film/champions_part_2/https://www.nfb.ca/film/champions_part_3/
― clemenza, Monday, 1 July 2019 00:58 (five years ago) link
thanks! i suspect i'll be using this poll as an excuse to catch up on a lot of things i've been meaning to watch.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Monday, 1 July 2019 01:15 (five years ago) link
Vietnam films: I'll nominate Hearts and Minds, The Deer Hunter, and Coming Home, which all have a clear political stance on that particular war. I'm less sure on Casualties of War and Apocalypse Now--beyond their default anti-war position--so I'll leave them for anyone else who thinks they belong. They seem more about the battlefield and in-the-moment sensation.
― clemenza, Monday, 1 July 2019 14:04 (five years ago) link
Has this been mentioned yet?
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e0/No_%282012_film%29.jpg
― . (Michael B), Monday, 1 July 2019 14:13 (five years ago) link
No.
― clemenza, Monday, 1 July 2019 14:15 (five years ago) link
Face in the crowd!
― Heez, Monday, 1 July 2019 14:46 (five years ago) link
Aka, From the Hills of Wasilla--definitely.
I added a few more films to the nominations list without posting here. (Yes, this is one of those pointless no-news-is-no-news bumps.) The list is just a guide anyway--write-ins, when voting starts, are fine.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 3 July 2019 15:10 (five years ago) link
IceReportBreaking With Old IdeasDeserter23rd Psalm Branch Memories of UnderdevelopmentBPM (Beats per Minute)WestlerThe Normal heartThe Making of MonstersZero PatienceIt Is Not the Homosexual Who Is Perverse, But the Society in Which He LivesA Virus Knows no MoralsWe Want Roses TooNuméro deuxLe FHAR (Front homosexuel d'action révolutionnaire) ChorusMy Son JohnThe Country and the City: A Film With Raymond WilliamsLe temps des bouffonsWinter WindRed PsalmMoi, un noirPetit à petitSoleil OWest Indies: The Fugitive Slaves of LibertyToo Early, Too LateBlack GirlFrom the Cloud to the ResistanceFrom the Pole to the EquatorClass RelationsPays barbare Piece Mandala/End WarLouisiana AKA The Other SideFrom the Other SideRace d'Ep: un siècle d'images de l'homosexualité
― Kevin John Bozelka, Thursday, 4 July 2019 18:33 (five years ago) link
State of Siege, Costa-GavrasOperación Ogro. Gillo PontecorvoThe Champions, Donald Brittain (originally a mini-series, it was given a cinematic release and so i think qualifies)
― bookmarkflaglink (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 4 July 2019 18:51 (five years ago) link
and now i see the champions has been mentioned, i did a ctrl+f but must have made a typo
― bookmarkflaglink (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 4 July 2019 18:52 (five years ago) link
― clemenza, Sunday, June 30, 2019 5:58 PM (four days ago)
levesque comes across fantastically well
He really does. I was a Trudeau guy back then, but he was pretty clearly railroaded in some of those constitutional negotiations. I found his ultimate demise--cast aside by the party he'd helped create--very moving.
I'll get all the nominations updated, thanks.
― clemenza, Thursday, 4 July 2019 20:05 (five years ago) link
There are 225+ films on the nomination list...I'm ready to proceed with the vote (one ballot in already); no real point in waiting a week. As I've said, write-ins are fine.
This is my idea for points--I'm the guy who gummed up Karl Malone's under-2:00 music poll with complicated alternative point-systems, and I've got another one:
# of Films Listed Total Points Allowed Maximum Points for One Film 10 100 30 20 200 40 30 300 50
10 100 30 20 200 40 30 300 50
The total-points stays proportional the more films you list; intuitively (maybe I'm wrong), it felt like the maximum points allowed for one film should increase more gradually.
If you hate math, or want to list more films, let me know and we'll work something out. I'll wait a day and start a voting thread.
Nominations:
― clemenza, Monday, 8 July 2019 16:25 (five years ago) link
I need 20 voters. Don't worry if you haven't seen every political film ever made. This isn't homework--vote for what you know and like now.
― clemenza, Monday, 8 July 2019 16:26 (five years ago) link
Late entrants - The Front Runner, The Bourne trilogy
― Andrew Farrell, Monday, 8 July 2019 16:38 (five years ago) link
...which reminds me to add Chappaquiddick, too. Of the two, I liked The Front Runner better.
Other Nixon films: Our Nixon, Watergate.
― clemenza, Monday, 8 July 2019 16:47 (five years ago) link
Sneak in If...., too please.
― Dan Worsley, Monday, 8 July 2019 17:58 (five years ago) link
Horror films: Night of the Living Dead (as definitive on 1968 as Weekend), the 1956 Invasion of the Body Snatchers, Get Out, Us. Lots more, I'm sure, but those are the first four that come to mind.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 9 July 2019 12:45 (five years ago) link
there's only one good political film, and it's captain america: civil war
― coroner criticises butt (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 12:47 (five years ago) link
no wait fuck i meant winter soldier, mods pls delet thraed
― coroner criticises butt (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 12:48 (five years ago) link
I think you meant there’s only two good political films
― El Tomboto, Tuesday, 9 July 2019 12:50 (five years ago) link
Added Winter Soldier, which reminded me to add Going Upriver: The Long War of John Kerry. Captain America in limbo, pending confirmation...
― clemenza, Tuesday, 9 July 2019 12:52 (five years ago) link