2020 Democratic presidential primary

Your point would be a bit more convincing if you'd quoted some anti-Bernie comments as ridiculous as those you cooked up to illustrate your point.

I believe OneSecondBefore's post was responding to a ridiculous anti-Bernie comment

“anti-bernie”

xp which post was he responding to?

maybe that dumb ass fred b one

it was a little bit too selective and try-hard to pass as anything else

xp yes

Why does Warren say "I have a plan for that" when her plans were drafted by campaign employees and influenced by ideas that have been circulating around the left for decades or centuries?

it’s fucking ridiculous and frankly kinda capitalist to pretend you own progressive ideas that have been around forever. warren is... not doing remotely the same thing, so this whole post reads like bad faith posturing to me (even IF i think fred is being ridiculous as usual)

“FIRST!!!” is not a campaign strategy it’s just obnoxious bullshit

“all american presidential campaigns are built on obnoxious bullshit” i know

His concoction was much more farcically bad than Fred's comment was, and if he wanted to respond to it, why not quote it? It's not hard to do.

well it was developing through a number of posts

Why does Warren say "I have a plan for that" when her plans were drafted by campaign employees and influenced by ideas that have been circulating around the left for decades or centuries?

You're right. She should say at every debate, "Decades of liberal thought going back to Louis Brandeis, together with the impeccable work ethic of my campaign staff, should be up here today, not me."

but srsly Bernie was singing The Internationale a half century ago, I'm not really sure what the objection is (in a political campaign!) to his team highlighting his dem-soc bona fides

"I've been fighting for this stuff longer than my opponents" is somehow not a legit campaign move?

bernie helped push the national conversation in this direction and i’ll give him credit for that forever, does getting annoyed whenever he or one of his staffers says some dumb shit undermine that credit that i will continuously give him? or are they actually undermining their own message, who can say

Why does Warren say "I have a plan for that" when her plans were drafted by campaign employees and influenced by ideas that have been circulating around the left for decades or centuries?

i'm barely following this mini-argument but the quote above, along with the rest of that paragraph, was satirical (written in a faux-berniebro voice), i think?

"I've been fighting for this stuff longer than my opponents" is somehow not a legit campaign move?

― d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, June 27, 2019 11:53 AM (nineteen seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

damn it’s like you got all these other words and meanings from crossing out “the left’s” and putting “bernie’s” above it

if that post about warren is satirical, even better

ffs these ppl are running for president, not greasing up the nobel committee

Why does Warren say "I have a plan for that" when her plans were drafted by campaign employees and influenced by ideas that have been circulating around the left for decades or centuries? She should list proper credit for every person who has ever been involved in the creation of these plans. Her ego is out of control! She is doing a major disservice to progressive ideas when she takes up space by putting her name on them and egotistically promoting her own brand during this presidential campaign.

This is what the anti-Bernie crowd sounds like to me with this stuff, it's a lot of extremely convoluted thinking to justify slapping the guy with the media-ordained label of "egotist" to subvert the actual grassroots nature of his campaign and the deeply compassionate nature of his platform.

― OneSecondBefore, Thursday, June 27, 2019 12:32 PM (one hour ago)

is there anyone here that is anti-Bernie?

this is a cool new standard though, the dozen candidates who led w/ "I'm the only one / the first on this panel who...." in last night's debate will have to pivot

yerac, yes

is there anyone here that is anti-Bernie?

― Yerac, Thursday, June 27, 2019 11:58 AM (thirty-four seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

beyond fred maybe, i’m gonna say no

To clarify, with my much-discussed and only halfway coherent post earlier I was indeed making fun of Fred B's comment, but I was also thinking about a TON of bad rhetoric I've seen all over the place, e.g. the Vanity Fair article this tweet pokes fun at:

Bernie: “I think that there are a certain number of people who would like to see a woman elected, and I understand that.”

Also Bernie: ”Elizabeth is a friend of mine. I think she’s running a good campaign.”

Vanity Fair headline:https://t.co/epdoxTS9V4

— Marissa D. Barrera🏳️‍🌈 (@mdb2) June 21, 2019

ilx collaborated on that vanity fair story, we all wrote it together

is there anyone here that is anti-Bernie?

Fred seems to think Bernie has outlived his moment and is cluttering up the lane Warren wants to occupy, which may lead to splitting their shared natural base of support, but this is a tactical objection, not quite an anti-Bernie sentiment. I think it's far too early for that kind of concern-trolling.

i like Bernie a lot but I am still ultra-critical of him. I think he carried some of the water but he's not the right person for me right now. But he can continue to tell us all about how he discovered jazz or some shit.

thin lizzy be ripping off more riffs than a british rocker

I don't want him as the nominee. He's unfairly benefiting from the work of his campaign staff.

see, this is why there needs to be a universal "i'm writing the following in the style of a dumbass, for example, a bad tweet criticizing a vanity fair article" emoji

>8-}

No the tweet is good, it's the article that's bad.

Is my keyboard broken today or something?

i thought the dumbass satire and the paragraph explaining the dumbass satire were both dumb assed for the record

tHiS iS tHe UnIvErSaL wAy To DeNoTe ThIs

xps yerac maybe not in your case but there is a vein of "ultra-criticism" here for bernie that seems disproporionate (when there are much more deservimg targets) and consequently, yeah, anti-Bernie

but maybe I need to turn my Fred knob down

TMI

i guess i'd be less aggro about it if 2-5 bernie supporters didn't jump down my throat every time i think either something he said or something his staffers did was dumb. i would still fucking vote for him keep this in mind at all times

tbf I do not recall you saying "he should never have run again"

xp sorry yes that was unfortunate

i don't think he should've run again! but it already happened, who gives a shit

many xps - In 2016 Bernie pushed those ideas from the periphery closer to the center, and that's great. I was rooting for him. But he has no exclusive claim to them, and he never tried to claim they were "his", which is what the tweet suggests. So it is an average, everyday, normal bad tweet.

Definitely no fun to get shouted down by rabid fans of a politician. A lot of Bernie supporters are feeling under attack in a big way too, it's worth saying. Feels like every dipshit centrist on the internet thinks I'm some kind of misogynist racist bernie bro russian bot because I support him. And then you've got the entire weight of the corporate media bearing down on anything with a whiff of anticapitalism to it. I don't think ILX really falls into these patterns, that's why I still read this thread.

News flash: Presidential politics consists of endless attacks, counter-attacks, and further attacks. Some of the attacks are very low-key and sneaky. Some are shrill and blatant. There are attack styles to meet every personality type and demographic group. If you feel under attack, it's just presidential politics as usual. Get used to it.

"BUT HOW ARE YOU GOING TO PAY FOR THAT"

ilx is all about disproportionate criticism. hadrian didn't you have issues about m obama making a divorced dad trope/Trump comparison? xpost

that wasn't disproportionate! that was legit shitty

haha!

I think it’s way too early for anyone to drop out. It would be cool if this went the same way as the GOP 2012 primary, with every candidate getting to be front runner for 15 minutes.

It has been interesting listening to commentators suggest what the non-center stage candidates must do at the debate to win support. I think the key to winning doesn’t count on differentiating yourself and highlighting your experience so much as it is getting the loudest applause and having the ‘it’-factor.

never in my posting history have I responded except proportionally and in a measured reasoned fashion SO BACK THE FUCK OFF!

^^ imagine if Hilz had responded like this in the debates.