2020 Democratic presidential primary

On a friend's FB thread this morning in a post-debate discussion one woman said she didn't like Klobuchar but at least respected her calmness; with Bernie, she said, he's always yelling at me even when I agree. My friend, impervious to irony, tried explaining why Sanders is the better candidate.

I respect Kobluchar because she has the best record of the senatorial candidates of getting shit done.

she's an abuser.

Klobuchar sounded so nervous last night that I can't imagine her in a debate with Trump.

imo it's kind of weird to lobby the "the focus is too much on the particular person" accusation at the Bernie campaign just because a campaign guy did a silly tweet. they're the single campaign most oriented around mass mobilization on the issues. how is any other campaign *less* focused on their candidate than Bernie's?

campaigns kind of have to focus on their candidate inasmuch as people need to know the person's name to vote for them

https://i.imgur.com/YiIuMb1.jpg

I have to admit, Frederik, your ideas are even less popular than you are

These "debates" are nothing but mass goddamn personality shows; get used to that idea

Why does Warren say "I have a plan for that" when her plans were drafted by campaign employees and influenced by ideas that have been circulating around the left for decades or centuries? She should list proper credit for every person who has ever been involved in the creation of these plans. Her ego is out of control! She is doing a major disservice to progressive ideas when she takes up space by putting her name on them and egotistically promoting her own brand during this presidential campaign.

This is what the anti-Bernie crowd sounds like to me with this stuff, it's a lot of extremely convoluted thinking to justify slapping the guy with the media-ordained label of "egotist" to subvert the actual grassroots nature of his campaign and the deeply compassionate nature of his platform.

This is what the anti-Bernie crowd sounds like to me

Your point would be a bit more convincing if you'd quoted some anti-Bernie comments as ridiculous as those you cooked up to illustrate your point.

But, from a different perspective (mine) every presidential campaign is full of ridiculous criticisms of every candidate. Some of them come directly from the opposing campaigns, but easily the most ridiculous are generated by members of the general public, who are always capable of descending further into nonsense than any of the professional political consultants would dream of. Uh, deal with it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xxgRUyzgs0

On a friend's FB thread this morning in a post-debate discussion one woman said she didn't like Klobuchar but at least respected her calmness; with Bernie, she said, he's always yelling at me even when I agree. My friend, impervious to irony, tried explaining why Sanders is the better candidate.

― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 27 June 2019 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Sanders can yell better stuff than whatever Klobuchar has to say calmly?

I have to admit, Frederik, your ideas are even less popular than you are

― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 27 June 2019 16:58 (one hour ago)Permalink

The plight of the white male feminist

lmbo dude

marc loi lives on in the state of denmark

otoh, Fred just wrote a very usable tagline for a New Yorker cartoon

damn the bise beat me to it

Your point would be a bit more convincing if you'd quoted some anti-Bernie comments as ridiculous as those you cooked up to illustrate your point.

I believe OneSecondBefore's post was responding to a ridiculous anti-Bernie comment

“anti-bernie”

xp which post was he responding to?

maybe that dumb ass fred b one

it was a little bit too selective and try-hard to pass as anything else

xp yes

Why does Warren say "I have a plan for that" when her plans were drafted by campaign employees and influenced by ideas that have been circulating around the left for decades or centuries?

it’s fucking ridiculous and frankly kinda capitalist to pretend you own progressive ideas that have been around forever. warren is... not doing remotely the same thing, so this whole post reads like bad faith posturing to me (even IF i think fred is being ridiculous as usual)

“FIRST!!!” is not a campaign strategy it’s just obnoxious bullshit

“all american presidential campaigns are built on obnoxious bullshit” i know

His concoction was much more farcically bad than Fred's comment was, and if he wanted to respond to it, why not quote it? It's not hard to do.

well it was developing through a number of posts

Why does Warren say "I have a plan for that" when her plans were drafted by campaign employees and influenced by ideas that have been circulating around the left for decades or centuries?

You're right. She should say at every debate, "Decades of liberal thought going back to Louis Brandeis, together with the impeccable work ethic of my campaign staff, should be up here today, not me."

but srsly Bernie was singing The Internationale a half century ago, I'm not really sure what the objection is (in a political campaign!) to his team highlighting his dem-soc bona fides

"I've been fighting for this stuff longer than my opponents" is somehow not a legit campaign move?

bernie helped push the national conversation in this direction and i’ll give him credit for that forever, does getting annoyed whenever he or one of his staffers says some dumb shit undermine that credit that i will continuously give him? or are they actually undermining their own message, who can say

Why does Warren say "I have a plan for that" when her plans were drafted by campaign employees and influenced by ideas that have been circulating around the left for decades or centuries?

i'm barely following this mini-argument but the quote above, along with the rest of that paragraph, was satirical (written in a faux-berniebro voice), i think?

"I've been fighting for this stuff longer than my opponents" is somehow not a legit campaign move?

― d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, June 27, 2019 11:53 AM (nineteen seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

damn it’s like you got all these other words and meanings from crossing out “the left’s” and putting “bernie’s” above it

if that post about warren is satirical, even better

ffs these ppl are running for president, not greasing up the nobel committee

Why does Warren say "I have a plan for that" when her plans were drafted by campaign employees and influenced by ideas that have been circulating around the left for decades or centuries? She should list proper credit for every person who has ever been involved in the creation of these plans. Her ego is out of control! She is doing a major disservice to progressive ideas when she takes up space by putting her name on them and egotistically promoting her own brand during this presidential campaign.

This is what the anti-Bernie crowd sounds like to me with this stuff, it's a lot of extremely convoluted thinking to justify slapping the guy with the media-ordained label of "egotist" to subvert the actual grassroots nature of his campaign and the deeply compassionate nature of his platform.

― OneSecondBefore, Thursday, June 27, 2019 12:32 PM (one hour ago)

is there anyone here that is anti-Bernie?

this is a cool new standard though, the dozen candidates who led w/ "I'm the only one / the first on this panel who...." in last night's debate will have to pivot

yerac, yes

is there anyone here that is anti-Bernie?

― Yerac, Thursday, June 27, 2019 11:58 AM (thirty-four seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

beyond fred maybe, i’m gonna say no

To clarify, with my much-discussed and only halfway coherent post earlier I was indeed making fun of Fred B's comment, but I was also thinking about a TON of bad rhetoric I've seen all over the place, e.g. the Vanity Fair article this tweet pokes fun at:

Bernie: “I think that there are a certain number of people who would like to see a woman elected, and I understand that.”

Also Bernie: ”Elizabeth is a friend of mine. I think she’s running a good campaign.”

Vanity Fair headline:https://t.co/epdoxTS9V4

— Marissa D. Barrera🏳️‍🌈 (@mdb2) June 21, 2019

ilx collaborated on that vanity fair story, we all wrote it together

is there anyone here that is anti-Bernie?

Fred seems to think Bernie has outlived his moment and is cluttering up the lane Warren wants to occupy, which may lead to splitting their shared natural base of support, but this is a tactical objection, not quite an anti-Bernie sentiment. I think it's far too early for that kind of concern-trolling.

i like Bernie a lot but I am still ultra-critical of him. I think he carried some of the water but he's not the right person for me right now. But he can continue to tell us all about how he discovered jazz or some shit.

thin lizzy be ripping off more riffs than a british rocker

I don't want him as the nominee. He's unfairly benefiting from the work of his campaign staff.

see, this is why there needs to be a universal "i'm writing the following in the style of a dumbass, for example, a bad tweet criticizing a vanity fair article" emoji

>8-}

No the tweet is good, it's the article that's bad.

Is my keyboard broken today or something?

i thought the dumbass satire and the paragraph explaining the dumbass satire were both dumb assed for the record

tHiS iS tHe UnIvErSaL wAy To DeNoTe ThIs