2020 Democratic presidential primary

The perfect illustration of why Bernie should never have run a second time

Fixed this #DemDebate headline... pic.twitter.com/cYRblhwQVF

— David Sirota (@davidsirota) June 27, 2019

bc his fans are obnoxious and have no perspective? i'm sorry but i don't see dave from the dave matthews band hanging it up for that reason

yeah what the hell is that supposed to mean?

Sirota is a Senior Adviser and Speechwriter to the Sanders campaign.

yes, and this is why he shouldn't have run again?

that tweet is exactly what an adviser/writer/flack does

fully hoping for Bernie to do a grandpa fight with Biden tonight

buuuuut this whole Bernie was first thing is dumb, you want ppl to copy your ideas!!!

Bernie shouldn't have run because he is at this point less popular than his ideas, which means his strategy for running has to be to claim the ideas as 'his', making the ideas less popular through their association with him, and making it less likely other candidates adopt them for political reasons.

Also because him hiring David Sirota means he is awful at hiring the right people.

'strategic' reasons, not 'political' reasons

“simpsons already did it” but for old coots from vermont

was pretty amused at everyone's varying ways of pronouncing "beto"

1001 Introduction to BetX History

xps right the guy consistently polling 2nd or 3rd in a field of 24 candidates shouldn't be running

making the ideas less popular through their association with him, and making it less likely other candidates adopt them for political reasons

this is some srsly convoluted business

bad tweet from Sirota. christ.

"Bernie's ideas" lollll

one major goal of progressive thinking ought to be a decisive move away from HERE IS MY DUDE, HE IS THE DUDE WITH THE GOOD IDEAS frameworks and into "what thinking works best for the people most affected by public policy? doesn't really matter who is advancing said thinking as long as it gets some sway in the corridors of power" but this point seems to have eluded the fan club

IOW m bison otm

^^^ def otm

otm. The problem is, many progressives are also sports guys and chart watchers.

The argument I’ve seen put forth for Bernie over Warren is that he is running a real grassroots campaign and building a mass movement whereas Warren is running a more traditional controlled political campaign with an “only I can fix it” message

That's, uh, not who has the "only I can fix it" energy out of the two of them.

^^^

(or at least according to his fans, particularly on this thread. Maybe only he can fix it! You'd be pretty fucked then, huh)

I feel like there is a depth of in the moment "listening" with Warren that Bernie just doesn't have in him which leads to a lot of his problems.

I agree

On a friend's FB thread this morning in a post-debate discussion one woman said she didn't like Klobuchar but at least respected her calmness; with Bernie, she said, he's always yelling at me even when I agree. My friend, impervious to irony, tried explaining why Sanders is the better candidate.

I respect Kobluchar because she has the best record of the senatorial candidates of getting shit done.

she's an abuser.

Klobuchar sounded so nervous last night that I can't imagine her in a debate with Trump.

imo it's kind of weird to lobby the "the focus is too much on the particular person" accusation at the Bernie campaign just because a campaign guy did a silly tweet. they're the single campaign most oriented around mass mobilization on the issues. how is any other campaign *less* focused on their candidate than Bernie's?

campaigns kind of have to focus on their candidate inasmuch as people need to know the person's name to vote for them

https://i.imgur.com/YiIuMb1.jpg

I have to admit, Frederik, your ideas are even less popular than you are

These "debates" are nothing but mass goddamn personality shows; get used to that idea

Why does Warren say "I have a plan for that" when her plans were drafted by campaign employees and influenced by ideas that have been circulating around the left for decades or centuries? She should list proper credit for every person who has ever been involved in the creation of these plans. Her ego is out of control! She is doing a major disservice to progressive ideas when she takes up space by putting her name on them and egotistically promoting her own brand during this presidential campaign.

This is what the anti-Bernie crowd sounds like to me with this stuff, it's a lot of extremely convoluted thinking to justify slapping the guy with the media-ordained label of "egotist" to subvert the actual grassroots nature of his campaign and the deeply compassionate nature of his platform.

This is what the anti-Bernie crowd sounds like to me

Your point would be a bit more convincing if you'd quoted some anti-Bernie comments as ridiculous as those you cooked up to illustrate your point.

But, from a different perspective (mine) every presidential campaign is full of ridiculous criticisms of every candidate. Some of them come directly from the opposing campaigns, but easily the most ridiculous are generated by members of the general public, who are always capable of descending further into nonsense than any of the professional political consultants would dream of. Uh, deal with it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xxgRUyzgs0

On a friend's FB thread this morning in a post-debate discussion one woman said she didn't like Klobuchar but at least respected her calmness; with Bernie, she said, he's always yelling at me even when I agree. My friend, impervious to irony, tried explaining why Sanders is the better candidate.

― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 27 June 2019 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Sanders can yell better stuff than whatever Klobuchar has to say calmly?

I have to admit, Frederik, your ideas are even less popular than you are

― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 27 June 2019 16:58 (one hour ago)Permalink

The plight of the white male feminist

lmbo dude

marc loi lives on in the state of denmark

otoh, Fred just wrote a very usable tagline for a New Yorker cartoon

damn the bise beat me to it

Your point would be a bit more convincing if you'd quoted some anti-Bernie comments as ridiculous as those you cooked up to illustrate your point.

I believe OneSecondBefore's post was responding to a ridiculous anti-Bernie comment

“anti-bernie”

xp which post was he responding to?

maybe that dumb ass fred b one

it was a little bit too selective and try-hard to pass as anything else

xp yes

Why does Warren say "I have a plan for that" when her plans were drafted by campaign employees and influenced by ideas that have been circulating around the left for decades or centuries?

it’s fucking ridiculous and frankly kinda capitalist to pretend you own progressive ideas that have been around forever. warren is... not doing remotely the same thing, so this whole post reads like bad faith posturing to me (even IF i think fred is being ridiculous as usual)

“FIRST!!!” is not a campaign strategy it’s just obnoxious bullshit

“all american presidential campaigns are built on obnoxious bullshit” i know

His concoction was much more farcically bad than Fred's comment was, and if he wanted to respond to it, why not quote it? It's not hard to do.

well it was developing through a number of posts