2020 Democratic presidential primary

Unfortunately none of these candidates is going to be demonstrably better at debating trump than Hillary was. They’re all going to treat him like a normal human being with a functioning brain and a semblance of a conscience.

Actually maybe Bernie wouldn’t. And honestly maybe Biden which is possibly the only reason him being the nominee might not be terrible. I can picture him treating every one of trump’s insane nonsensical rants with an air of “can you believe this fucking asshole?”

This full thread is unloadable at 8000+ posts. Can we have a new one now that the debates have started?

― Manfred Hemming-Hawing (WmC), Wednesday, June 26, 2019 8:21 PM (thirty-nine minutes ago)

agree, maybe make the same poll again and lock this one?

is this the most posted on poll thread in ilx history?

The dc thred is like 12 years old

We can’t lock the thread til the poll closes! Surely we can make it six more months.

Warren needs a proper sparring partner. This debate didn’t move anything for her, primary-wise.

Castro was great btw

this is exactly how y2k started

pretttttty sure y2k started when me and my friends started the street on fire with kerosene because we were bored and couldn't drink yet

We can’t lock the thread til the poll closes! Surely we can make it six more months

In six months there'll be 10,000 more lol Beto and/Biden posts.

why can't we lock the thread before the poll closes

you want to take away people's right to vote???!?!?!?!?!?!?

lol

the System won't be able to tell us the results are in

I can picture [Biden] treating every one of trump’s insane nonsensical rants with an air of “can you believe this fucking asshole?”

Real Biden or meme Biden?

Real Biden did that to Paul Ryan, so...

I wouldn't believe either fucking asshole in a Yam-Joe debate

and shame on anyone who did

I'd rather have the New York Times Styles section moderate a presidential debate than the national politics desk but they'd still do a better job than any network or cable channel

— 'Weird Alex' Pareene (@pareene) June 27, 2019

Two women are not going to fly. You need a minority. As you saw, he didn't do a bad job. He came prepared and pushed buttons. As opposed to say Booker he's not a show horse, and more importantly is young enough not to have a solid political orbit that will weigh down the boss. https://t.co/c3A3ZteS6G

— Richard M. Nixon (@dick_nixon) June 27, 2019

the System won't be able to tell us the results are in

― Screamin' Jay Gould (The Yellow Kid),

"Don't Disturb This Groove" was the unspoken theme last night.

DeBlasio had one function: go after either Biden or Warren head on. He wimped out and went after the hapless Beto instead. Biden didn't get hit with one punch by any one. No one even took a swing...

— Jeffrey St. Clair (@JSCCounterPunch) June 27, 2019

I'm not sure how or why any of the candidates would be taking a swing at Biden so early in the process, he wasn't on the same stage

yeah, I wd look for that tonight tho, esp from Bern

hope so

I saw no point in going after Biden when the old man's turn is tonight.

Me. https://t.co/5SErFgPAQA

— Julián Castro (@JulianCastro) June 27, 2019

One thing we can all agree on though, is that chuck todd needs to either fucking shave his head or wear a wig or grow a full beard or fucking SOMETHING

― akm, Wednesday, June 26, 2019 10:36 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

the most otm post in this or any other thread

The perfect illustration of why Bernie should never have run a second time

Fixed this #DemDebate headline... pic.twitter.com/cYRblhwQVF

— David Sirota (@davidsirota) June 27, 2019

bc his fans are obnoxious and have no perspective? i'm sorry but i don't see dave from the dave matthews band hanging it up for that reason

yeah what the hell is that supposed to mean?

Sirota is a Senior Adviser and Speechwriter to the Sanders campaign.

yes, and this is why he shouldn't have run again?

that tweet is exactly what an adviser/writer/flack does

fully hoping for Bernie to do a grandpa fight with Biden tonight

buuuuut this whole Bernie was first thing is dumb, you want ppl to copy your ideas!!!

Bernie shouldn't have run because he is at this point less popular than his ideas, which means his strategy for running has to be to claim the ideas as 'his', making the ideas less popular through their association with him, and making it less likely other candidates adopt them for political reasons.

Also because him hiring David Sirota means he is awful at hiring the right people.

'strategic' reasons, not 'political' reasons

“simpsons already did it” but for old coots from vermont

was pretty amused at everyone's varying ways of pronouncing "beto"

1001 Introduction to BetX History

xps right the guy consistently polling 2nd or 3rd in a field of 24 candidates shouldn't be running

making the ideas less popular through their association with him, and making it less likely other candidates adopt them for political reasons

this is some srsly convoluted business

bad tweet from Sirota. christ.

"Bernie's ideas" lollll

one major goal of progressive thinking ought to be a decisive move away from HERE IS MY DUDE, HE IS THE DUDE WITH THE GOOD IDEAS frameworks and into "what thinking works best for the people most affected by public policy? doesn't really matter who is advancing said thinking as long as it gets some sway in the corridors of power" but this point seems to have eluded the fan club

IOW m bison otm

^^^ def otm

otm. The problem is, many progressives are also sports guys and chart watchers.

The argument I’ve seen put forth for Bernie over Warren is that he is running a real grassroots campaign and building a mass movement whereas Warren is running a more traditional controlled political campaign with an “only I can fix it” message

That's, uh, not who has the "only I can fix it" energy out of the two of them.

^^^

(or at least according to his fans, particularly on this thread. Maybe only he can fix it! You'd be pretty fucked then, huh)

I feel like there is a depth of in the moment "listening" with Warren that Bernie just doesn't have in him which leads to a lot of his problems.

I agree

On a friend's FB thread this morning in a post-debate discussion one woman said she didn't like Klobuchar but at least respected her calmness; with Bernie, she said, he's always yelling at me even when I agree. My friend, impervious to irony, tried explaining why Sanders is the better candidate.