Seizing back control: The ILX lol brexit is how we're all gonna die thread.

The pattern though?

There was a very good thread on twitter detailing how bad disciplinary processes are in Labour. It's not a massive surprise, merely an expression of frustration.

It ought to be remembered (it won't be remembered) that those disciplinary procedures have always been rubbish and have afforded protection to melts and creeps from all wings of the party no matter who was leader.

The optics problem here is that "our hands are tied" for this and David Prescott and Peter Willsman contrasts with chucking out Alistair Campbell the next day.

It is a problem but you can’t run a disciplinary system based on optics.

Don't give one fuck about Campbell's optics, the procedures should definitely be strengthened but that should include quicker eviction of Tories that wandered in by mistake.

Reckon Campbell will be admitted back. Shit, the guy walks free among us. That's bad enough.

I would imagine Campbell will get back, yes. My broad point was about parties as bureacratic resisters of change, the problem isn't that the nasty Trots are trying to change things, the problem is it isn't getting changed far or fast enough.

It is a problem but you can’t run a disciplinary system based on optics.

ya fuck that decision

"the problem is it isn't getting changed far or fast enough."

Very much so, it's two steps forward one back. You'd always expect it to be slow, arduous work - this actually is fine, except it just feels like time is running out.

Keith Vaz is on the NEC and I’d guess it would have to be an NEC decision in the end. My kneejerk reaction was the same but it would be good to get a more direct source on the reasoning.

The party should move heaven and earth to get Williamson deselected.

for such a fucking loudly unconstrained socialist and peacenik Williamson's pre Corbyn era record is not very flattering on paper. Just quickly scanning through his wiki. He was part of a zombie blairite council coalition with the tories and using terms like "innovative pragmatism", was on record as being pro PFI, voted with Hilary "bomber command" B/Cameron on all the military interventions, abstained on the 2014 immigration bill.

He's a Johnny-come-lefty waste of oxygen.

He is a massive opportunist and too thick to even get that right.

Thus so most opportunists

not sure that's true, the ones that get it right are wrangling the "none dare call it treason" thing

I said "most" but it was only for the sake of an unnecessary reference so yeah

I am absolutely disgusted to see Chris Williamson given a warning and having his suspension lifted. It is an absolute farce and totally irreconcilable with our values and procedures.

— Rhea Wolfson (@rheawolfson) June 26, 2019

rhea wolfson is absolutely fuming.

so she should be. he’s a chancer. I’m glad to see my (admittedly quite small) TL is united in their anger about this - thankfully don’t follow any dangers who are celebrating his return. there needs to be a concerted effort to deselect him now

fuck the rules, just wang him off a bridge ffs!

trebuchet

This is odd:

The motion they are seeking to amend is below. The alleged aim is to deprive most government departments of funding if we leave the EU without a deal, and the Commons has not explicitly approved doing so. 2/ pic.twitter.com/FarbG2h2eH

— Nikki da Costa (@nmdacosta) June 26, 2019

It looks like Grieve and Beckett are trying to introduce a finance amendment that would shut down most government spending and furlough employees in the event of a no-deal Brexit. It won’t pass but idk if ‘we’re shutting all the schools if you do this’ is a winning tactic.

nice, we’re getting a government shutdown as well as a culture war. how quaintly american

that kind of threatening to pull the rug from under people who want to brexit really worked worked so well for the remain campaign when osborne threatened an emergency brexit budget, maybe second time even better.

even though you'd be more likely to get a bill to legalise smack through parliament.

Truss attended a state primary school in Paisley, in Scotland,

Fred Goodwin, Andrew Neil, Iain Martin, Liz Truss ... my home town has a lot to answer for.

Watching the #RestaurantMakesMistakes and astonished to learn that people with dementia struggle to get benefits. Is this true? And if so, how is this not a national scandal?

— Sarah Vine (@WestminsterWAG) June 26, 2019

Sad that she will never be the Marie Antoinette to Gove’s Louis XVI.

quality trolling there.

Chris Williamson MP hanging out with George Galloway and Lee Stranahan (currently Sputnik, formerly Breitbart). pic.twitter.com/PQmqAFo8E5

— libcom dot org (@libcomorg) April 18, 2019

also he's a teetotal vegan ... just saying.

he's like a rotten onion.

seriously.. the gaunt, creepy psycho-nazi needs to die.

he has his fans, as well, sadly - presumably because he is one of the few labour MPs who does seem to care about the membership (though this may just be opportunist posturing). grim

also he's a teetotal vegan ... just saying.

So am I at the moment! Still, my Gran always said not to trust a man who doesn't drink...

no offence intended dowd!

there is enough information out there to work out the measure of the Williamson as a politician and how terrible his politics have always been. but maybe that's all part of the conspiracy against committed socialists anti-Semites like him.

Been thinking about that Sarah Vine tweet today, not sure if it's worse if she's joking or worse if she's serious.

sometimes you see what seems very much obvious trolling like JRM describing foodbanks as "uplifting". Sometimes you see willful ignorance, it isn't always easy to tell which is which, but both are bad imo.

her followup tweets seems to suggest she was genuinely outraged

Seriously - that is completely unacceptable. I had no idea. A diagnosis should mean immediate social support. That’s what it’s for, that’s why we pay our taxes, right?

— Sarah Vine (@WestminsterWAG) June 26, 2019

so one can only assume that she pays no attention whatsoever to what life is like in britain for people who don't enjoy the rich spiritual and material benefits of being married to michael gove

and that she is very stupid

the ratios on both tweets are, of course, delightful

On CW, we know about the cranks but my god @ this (on the same thread that Calzino posts, I actually saw that girl's account being inundated last night)

Social democrat crank accounts with tens of thousands of followers are now piling on a 16 year old to defend a Labour MP who went into coalition with the Tories, supported PFI schemes and the bombing of Libya. pic.twitter.com/c3KJwySoED

— libcom dot org (@libcomorg) June 27, 2019

Vine just lashing out in response to Turdgate

what

Keith Vaz’s decision to readmit Chris Williamson should be reconsidered says Keith Vaz 🤷🏼‍♀️🤷🏼‍♀️🤷🏼‍♀️ https://t.co/tUv2QKRywj

— Dawn Foster (@DawnHFoster) June 27, 2019

he needs his balls toe’d

Keith Vaz should be thrown out of the Labour Party for being Keith Vaz.

This tweet reveals not one iota of contrition nor any acknowledgement of wrongdoing following a further formal warning from the Labour Party for behaviour grossly detrimental to the party. Such contempt for the Party’s verdict! He has to go! https://t.co/f9E0MelrZK

— Jon Lansman (@jonlansman) June 27, 2019

what a truly creepy bastard, and those morons that have his back should start their own Vichy national revolution party.. cunts.

I expect some kind of contrition from CW because he is winding up some seriously upset people and giving people on the right of Labour exactly what they want to use against the leadership - but what they want changes: first they want Corbyn not to interfere and now they want him to?

seeing how already upset good people like Rhea Wolfson are by his previous actions, that lack of humility and contrition in the response should provoke some extraordinary intervention/action imo. fuck the rules, just pump the idiot for bringing the party into disrepute .. anything just get rid.