Seizing back control: The ILX lol brexit is how we're all gonna die thread.

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gapes of rump: the night king no longer fucks

mark s, Wednesday, 26 June 2019 15:26 (seven years ago)

xp Might be a good line for labour to counterattack with, certainly hella relatable

Bash Street Kids: Endgame (Bananaman Begins), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 15:32 (seven years ago)

it's always quite heartwarming to see chUK often polling at 0%.

You do, indeed, love to see it. Probably as much as I laughed seeing this

I wouldn't be a superstitious person but yeah they totally pissed off some pagan gods or something. pic.twitter.com/MX6frlqHeo

— Áine McDee (@AineMcD) June 26, 2019


(It was the fairies)

govussy blues (gyac), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 15:32 (seven years ago)

Oh ffs!

calzino, Wednesday, 26 June 2019 16:26 (seven years ago)


PoliticsHome understands that Keith Vaz led the moves to reject a recommendation from Labour staff that Mr Williamson be referred to the party's National Constitution Committee, which deals with serious disciplinary cases.

He argued that because Mr Williamson represents a marginal seat and that Labour MPs have less than two weeks to tell party bosses whether they wish to stand at the next election, he should be let off with a warning.

Keith Vaz?!? Another guy who shouldn’t have the whip ffs

govussy blues (gyac), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 16:27 (seven years ago)

I’m not sure that’s as much of a surprise as people are making it own to be. Williamson is an idiot and liability but I’m not sure there has ever been one thing major enough to kick him out of the party over. It had always been an accumulation of small stuff and idk how easily disciplinary processes are ever geared up to deal with that.

ShariVari, Wednesday, 26 June 2019 16:30 (seven years ago)

Though obviously Vaz’ rationale is pathetic.

ShariVari, Wednesday, 26 June 2019 16:31 (seven years ago)

The pattern though?

govussy blues (gyac), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 16:32 (seven years ago)

There was a very good thread on twitter detailing how bad disciplinary processes are in Labour. It's not a massive surprise, merely an expression of frustration.

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 26 June 2019 16:39 (seven years ago)

It ought to be remembered (it won't be remembered) that those disciplinary procedures have always been rubbish and have afforded protection to melts and creeps from all wings of the party no matter who was leader.

Rory end to the lowenbrow (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 16:43 (seven years ago)

The optics problem here is that "our hands are tied" for this and David Prescott and Peter Willsman contrasts with chucking out Alistair Campbell the next day.

Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 26 June 2019 16:51 (seven years ago)

It is a problem but you can’t run a disciplinary system based on optics.

ShariVari, Wednesday, 26 June 2019 16:53 (seven years ago)

Don't give one fuck about Campbell's optics, the procedures should definitely be strengthened but that should include quicker eviction of Tories that wandered in by mistake.

Rory end to the lowenbrow (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 16:53 (seven years ago)

Reckon Campbell will be admitted back. Shit, the guy walks free among us. That's bad enough.

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 26 June 2019 16:55 (seven years ago)

I would imagine Campbell will get back, yes. My broad point was about parties as bureacratic resisters of change, the problem isn't that the nasty Trots are trying to change things, the problem is it isn't getting changed far or fast enough.

Rory end to the lowenbrow (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 17:19 (seven years ago)

It is a problem but you can’t run a disciplinary system based on optics.

You can run it without electoralism playing any part whatsoever in disciplinary cases. How does Keith Vas’s opinion carry more sway than that of party staff? Since when is he a moral authority on anything anyway?

govussy blues (gyac), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 17:20 (seven years ago)

ya fuck that decision

||||||||, Wednesday, 26 June 2019 17:24 (seven years ago)

"the problem is it isn't getting changed far or fast enough."

Very much so, it's two steps forward one back. You'd always expect it to be slow, arduous work - this actually is fine, except it just feels like time is running out.

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 26 June 2019 17:33 (seven years ago)

Keith Vaz is on the NEC and I’d guess it would have to be an NEC decision in the end. My kneejerk reaction was the same but it would be good to get a more direct source on the reasoning.

The party should move heaven and earth to get Williamson deselected.

ShariVari, Wednesday, 26 June 2019 17:37 (seven years ago)

for such a fucking loudly unconstrained socialist and peacenik Williamson's pre Corbyn era record is not very flattering on paper. Just quickly scanning through his wiki. He was part of a zombie blairite council coalition with the tories and using terms like "innovative pragmatism", was on record as being pro PFI, voted with Hilary "bomber command" B/Cameron on all the military interventions, abstained on the 2014 immigration bill.

calzino, Wednesday, 26 June 2019 18:34 (seven years ago)

He's a Johnny-come-lefty waste of oxygen.

Orpheus Knutt (Tom D.), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 18:42 (seven years ago)

He is a massive opportunist and too thick to even get that right.

ShariVari, Wednesday, 26 June 2019 18:53 (seven years ago)

Thus so most opportunists

Rory end to the lowenbrow (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 19:14 (seven years ago)

not sure that's true, the ones that get it right are wrangling the "none dare call it treason" thing

mark s, Wednesday, 26 June 2019 19:20 (seven years ago)

I said "most" but it was only for the sake of an unnecessary reference so yeah

Rory end to the lowenbrow (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 19:25 (seven years ago)

I am absolutely disgusted to see Chris Williamson given a warning and having his suspension lifted. It is an absolute farce and totally irreconcilable with our values and procedures.

— Rhea Wolfson (@rheawolfson) June 26, 2019

rhea wolfson is absolutely fuming.

calzino, Wednesday, 26 June 2019 20:49 (seven years ago)

so she should be. he’s a chancer. I’m glad to see my (admittedly quite small) TL is united in their anger about this - thankfully don’t follow any dangers who are celebrating his return. there needs to be a concerted effort to deselect him now

||||||||, Wednesday, 26 June 2019 20:53 (seven years ago)

fuck the rules, just wang him off a bridge ffs!

calzino, Wednesday, 26 June 2019 20:55 (seven years ago)

trebuchet

||||||||, Wednesday, 26 June 2019 20:59 (seven years ago)

This is odd:

The motion they are seeking to amend is below. The alleged aim is to deprive most government departments of funding if we leave the EU without a deal, and the Commons has not explicitly approved doing so. 2/ pic.twitter.com/FarbG2h2eH

— Nikki da Costa (@nmdacosta) June 26, 2019

It looks like Grieve and Beckett are trying to introduce a finance amendment that would shut down most government spending and furlough employees in the event of a no-deal Brexit. It won’t pass but idk if ‘we’re shutting all the schools if you do this’ is a winning tactic.

ShariVari, Wednesday, 26 June 2019 21:20 (seven years ago)

nice, we’re getting a government shutdown as well as a culture war. how quaintly american

||||||||, Wednesday, 26 June 2019 21:26 (seven years ago)

that kind of threatening to pull the rug from under people who want to brexit really worked worked so well for the remain campaign when osborne threatened an emergency brexit budget, maybe second time even better.

calzino, Wednesday, 26 June 2019 21:43 (seven years ago)

even though you'd be more likely to get a bill to legalise smack through parliament.

calzino, Wednesday, 26 June 2019 21:45 (seven years ago)

Truss attended a state primary school in Paisley, in Scotland,

Fred Goodwin, Andrew Neil, Iain Martin, Liz Truss ... my home town has a lot to answer for.

Orpheus Knutt (Tom D.), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 21:54 (seven years ago)

Watching the #RestaurantMakesMistakes and astonished to learn that people with dementia struggle to get benefits. Is this true? And if so, how is this not a national scandal?

— Sarah Vine (@WestminsterWAG) June 26, 2019

Sad that she will never be the Marie Antoinette to Gove’s Louis XVI.

ShariVari, Wednesday, 26 June 2019 21:55 (seven years ago)

quality trolling there.

calzino, Wednesday, 26 June 2019 22:05 (seven years ago)

Chris Williamson MP hanging out with George Galloway and Lee Stranahan (currently Sputnik, formerly Breitbart). pic.twitter.com/PQmqAFo8E5

— libcom dot org (@libcomorg) April 18, 2019

calzino, Thursday, 27 June 2019 08:19 (seven years ago)

also he's a teetotal vegan ... just saying.

calzino, Thursday, 27 June 2019 08:20 (seven years ago)

he's like a rotten onion.

calzino, Thursday, 27 June 2019 08:21 (seven years ago)

seriously.. the gaunt, creepy psycho-nazi needs to die.

calzino, Thursday, 27 June 2019 08:25 (seven years ago)

he has his fans, as well, sadly - presumably because he is one of the few labour MPs who does seem to care about the membership (though this may just be opportunist posturing). grim

||||||||, Thursday, 27 June 2019 08:29 (seven years ago)

also he's a teetotal vegan ... just saying.

So am I at the moment! Still, my Gran always said not to trust a man who doesn't drink...

Leaghaidh am brón an t-anam bochd (dowd), Thursday, 27 June 2019 08:38 (seven years ago)

no offence intended dowd!

there is enough information out there to work out the measure of the Williamson as a politician and how terrible his politics have always been. but maybe that's all part of the conspiracy against committed socialists anti-Semites like him.

calzino, Thursday, 27 June 2019 08:47 (seven years ago)

Been thinking about that Sarah Vine tweet today, not sure if it's worse if she's joking or worse if she's serious.

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 27 June 2019 14:53 (seven years ago)

sometimes you see what seems very much obvious trolling like JRM describing foodbanks as "uplifting". Sometimes you see willful ignorance, it isn't always easy to tell which is which, but both are bad imo.

calzino, Thursday, 27 June 2019 15:01 (seven years ago)

her followup tweets seems to suggest she was genuinely outraged

Seriously - that is completely unacceptable. I had no idea. A diagnosis should mean immediate social support. That’s what it’s for, that’s why we pay our taxes, right?

— Sarah Vine (@WestminsterWAG) June 26, 2019

so one can only assume that she pays no attention whatsoever to what life is like in britain for people who don't enjoy the rich spiritual and material benefits of being married to michael gove

big beautiful wario (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 27 June 2019 15:04 (seven years ago)

and that she is very stupid

big beautiful wario (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 27 June 2019 15:04 (seven years ago)

the ratios on both tweets are, of course, delightful

big beautiful wario (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 27 June 2019 15:05 (seven years ago)

On CW, we know about the cranks but my god @ this (on the same thread that Calzino posts, I actually saw that girl's account being inundated last night)

Social democrat crank accounts with tens of thousands of followers are now piling on a 16 year old to defend a Labour MP who went into coalition with the Tories, supported PFI schemes and the bombing of Libya. pic.twitter.com/c3KJwySoED

— libcom dot org (@libcomorg) June 27, 2019

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 27 June 2019 15:52 (seven years ago)


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