ableism is culturally conservative
― ogmor, Tuesday, 25 June 2019 16:41 (four years ago) link
Khachian has made it clear multiple times that the only reason she isn’t a tradwife is that nobody seems to want to marry her.
― ShariVari, Tuesday, 25 June 2019 16:46 (four years ago) link
i like cumtown bc its just completely owns up to its own stupidity/immaturity; it's like early-00s teen culture, 95% of the cultural references are to movies that came out when i was 11. but the combo of that style of humour with earnest political opinions in chapo or red scare makes me cringe
― flopson, Tuesday, 25 June 2019 16:53 (four years ago) link
Blaming Chapo for Red Scare is like blaming Dave Chappelle for Mind of Mencia
― space invaders are smokin penises!!!! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 25 June 2019 16:56 (four years ago) link
i think chapo were innovative on the 'its ok to say retard in a leftist podcast' front and can be blamed for that, but red scare def innovated into new grounds of 'its ok to just actually be right wing on a leftist podcast'
― flopson, Tuesday, 25 June 2019 17:13 (four years ago) link
and also CTH cleaned up their act in that respect a while ago
― Simon H., Tuesday, 25 June 2019 17:30 (four years ago) link
... have any of the Chapos said retard?
For all the "white socialist bros who hate idpol" stereotypes that characterization applies mostly to Amber and a little to Matt. Will/Felix/Virgil aren't really in that camp at all.
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Tuesday, 25 June 2019 17:31 (four years ago) link
The language and jokes were, uh, quite a bit looser in the earlier run of episodes for sure.
― Simon H., Tuesday, 25 June 2019 17:36 (four years ago) link
racist version of retard is preferable to dirtbags
every cop I've ever seen who's merked a pleading and unarmed person looks like this, the same boyish mongoloids who wash out of BJJ gyms because it's too hard and get Punisher bullshit on their ARs— replying to media co. and calling them “my dude” (@ByYourLogic) December 9, 2017
― shhh / let peaceful like things (wins), Tuesday, 25 June 2019 17:36 (four years ago) link
lol Red Scare are absolutely anti-feminist but in the same way as Khachiyan's idol Paglia where they mix in a few reasonable criticisms of modern liberalism with a whole lot of reactionary nonsense. like their current bit is "Louis CK did nothing wrong!"
and Nagle is quoted in that twitter thread as wanting the left to be more socially conservative and praising Sargon of Akkad, her politics are basically Strasserite
there are absolutely valid criticisms of the way the liberals cynically use identity politics as a weapon against the left but this isn't the criticism that most anti-idpol 'leftist' types focus on, Brad is otm about those just being anti-PC concern trolling.
― ufo, Tuesday, 25 June 2019 18:28 (four years ago) link
Matt and Virgil is the worst Chapo combo.
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Tuesday, 25 June 2019 19:58 (four years ago) link
when they're sincere (concern about the climate apocalypse being a "bourgeois eschatology" or Tim Faust's gauche "Abortion Rules!" t-shirt).
what a joke
― goole, Tuesday, 25 June 2019 20:19 (four years ago) link
also What Is Up with the australian socialist who posts 100% about Bernie in a Red Scare mode and 0 about anything happening in australia
although really why let these people take up any mental real estate, is the question
― goole, Tuesday, 25 June 2019 20:23 (four years ago) link
you mean the one who tweets like she's writing a pithy academic treatise on online political discourse consisting of nothing but ten dollar words?
really bad account
― mh, Tuesday, 25 June 2019 20:31 (four years ago) link
yeah
― goole, Tuesday, 25 June 2019 20:43 (four years ago) link
not gonna lie I laughed at the Beltway Garage song, I felt like I had heard 80% of the episode before though.
― JoeStork, Tuesday, 25 June 2019 20:44 (four years ago) link
xp I mean, I don't follow her and the times I've peeked at her full stream of tweets have been painful, but some drive-by gawking at things that have been retweeted is entertaining in a "wow, why would you do that" way
― mh, Tuesday, 25 June 2019 20:45 (four years ago) link
the thing her tweeting reminds me most of was the time I was going to this talk where one of the panel speakers was a guy who had translated Deleuze & Guattari works to english and I was scared he'd talk like that and I'd have to spend too much time trying to parse his words
then he showed up and was like "hey guys nice to be here on the panel!" and spoke like a normal person
twitter is conversational and people who act like it's not are nuts
― mh, Tuesday, 25 June 2019 20:56 (four years ago) link
concern about the climate apocalypse being a "bourgeois eschatology"
who said this?
― old cloud yells at man (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 25 June 2019 21:03 (four years ago) link
somebody who lives at sea level
― goole, Tuesday, 25 June 2019 21:04 (four years ago) link
Sooo say, hypothetically, I wanted to commission an article titled "Praxaaaaasssss" ... Who would want to write/co-write it?— Maximillian Alvarez (@maximillian_alv) June 25, 2019
― Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Tuesday, 25 June 2019 21:54 (four years ago) link
Dasha talking about the joys of fainting in public or Anna going on and on about how hot the Boston Bomber is, no one is taking this as life advice, and they're not turning anyone over to the right wing.C’mon you know that’s not what most people find objectionable about RS.― Conceptualize Wyverns (latebloomer), Monday, June 24, 2019 10:14 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
C’mon you know that’s not what most people find objectionable about RS.
― Conceptualize Wyverns (latebloomer), Monday, June 24, 2019 10:14 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
No I don't... who are most people and what do they find objectionable about RS? fat-shaming? saying retard? being a tradwife? I thought I pulled some good examples. calling fear of a climate apocalypse "bourgeois eschatology" has gotta be up there. I mean as usual it just seems like a lot of people (not necessarily itt) are either jealous or annoyed that something they don't like is becoming popular. and like I said, they're not surrounded by a cult like Peterson or Hannity. so.... what's the damage? they are easy to ignore.
the praxis girl video is v funny
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 25 June 2019 23:14 (four years ago) link
flappy pvmic itt
― flopson, Wednesday, 26 June 2019 00:37 (four years ago) link
it's true
how did this most recent harrumph re: RS get started anyway? am I missing something they said off the pod?
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 26 June 2019 00:39 (four years ago) link
Lots of things are easy to ignore but they're still annoying.
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 00:43 (four years ago) link
No I don't... who are most people and what do they find objectionable about RS? fat-shaming? saying retard? being a tradwife?
Their doubling down on defending sex offenders and creeps and dismissing/belittling people’s concerns about them as “neoliberal hysteria” or whatever. That’s the truly heinous shit IMO
― Conceptualize Wyverns (latebloomer), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 01:57 (four years ago) link
Not sure of the exact sequence of events but the gist is that a female comedian was voicing her objections on Twitter about Louis CK playing at a festival on and the RS gals and their reply army chimed in with their idiocy and etc etc etc
― Conceptualize Wyverns (latebloomer), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 02:08 (four years ago) link
The absolute madmen, they actually did it
BONUS: The Marianne Williamson InterviewVirgil and Matt sit down with Presidential candidate @marwilliamson.🔮🔮🔮🔮🔮🔮🔮🔮🔮🔮https://t.co/wAPE39ozqW#OrbGang #MarianneMindset— Chapo Trap House (@CHAPOTRAPHOUSE) June 26, 2019
― Simon H., Wednesday, 26 June 2019 02:30 (four years ago) link
defending Louis C.K. is not heinous. stupid? definitely"reply army"... christ
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 26 June 2019 06:15 (four years ago) link
i feel like anna used to be good at twitter
― flopson, Wednesday, 26 June 2019 06:18 (four years ago) link
She was, though a large part of that is probably that she posted so infrequently. She has become a parodic blend of Paglia and Nassim Taleb.
xp, it wasn’t just defending CK, she was going through the whole schtick about neoliberal feminism demanding safe spaces, etc, to a comedian who’d complained about being sexually harassed in the past and who objected to clubs booking known sex pests. Get over it! Comedy clubs aren’t a real workplace!
You can’t judge a podcast by its listeners but there were huge numbers of people (comparatively, for a show with under 3000 Patreon patrons) jumping in to attack the comedian as unattractive, hysterical, etc.
― ShariVari, Wednesday, 26 June 2019 06:36 (four years ago) link
Yes, but when that army isn't attacking you it's easy to ignore.
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 26 June 2019 07:53 (four years ago) link
Marianne Williamson comes off as an interesting, well-spoken but not really convincing figure in that interview. I'm glad they did it cause she's genuinely unique, but I'd be surprised if they kept talking about her all that much in the future. They're not wrong to say she's one of a small number of candidates presenting a vision for change, but her actual pitch doesn't support much scrutiny.
― Simon H., Wednesday, 26 June 2019 08:01 (four years ago) link
That said, I'm kinda glad they shunned Gravel but went for her instead
― Simon H., Wednesday, 26 June 2019 08:02 (four years ago) link
Is she the anti-vaccine one?
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 26 June 2019 08:05 (four years ago) link
Apparently she supports mandatory vaccines "when they're called for", whatever that means. (it didn't come up in the interview.)
― Simon H., Wednesday, 26 June 2019 08:10 (four years ago) link
you know, for diseases that are really bad(insert your own logic on which ones qualify)
― mh, Wednesday, 26 June 2019 12:27 (four years ago) link
I feel like flappy keeps saying well it's silly people are just reacting to X and c'mon that's not a big deal but so your examples of X really make it seem like they are horrible
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 13:25 (four years ago) link
ha they were on their best behavior with Marianne Williamson. She comes off as less of a joke than I thought. To the point that I could see her havoing a moment at the debates.
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 13:38 (four years ago) link
they were overpowered by the radiant light of her orb
― big beautiful wario (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 13:40 (four years ago) link
I was with her until she got to the "socialism is just when the state does things like make a police force, I am smart and have read a lot of Marx" and from there I found it tough to take her seriously
― Simon H., Wednesday, 26 June 2019 13:45 (four years ago) link
― Simon H., Wednesday, June 26, 2019 3:10 AM (six hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
why didn't they ask about this? did the interview tape before she made that statement?
― old cloud yells at man (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 14:14 (four years ago) link
Possibly, but they were really more interested in asking her wtf her "politics of love" is about and how it relates to socialism/social justice more broadly than in individual policies/positions
― Simon H., Wednesday, 26 June 2019 14:17 (four years ago) link
for how edgy they are they tend to be pretty softball interviewers but I guess they mostly have friends or ppl they like on
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 14:17 (four years ago) link
"politics of love"
maybe i should just listen to the podcast cause this sounds like warmed-over corey booker-esque horseshit.
― old cloud yells at man (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 14:26 (four years ago) link
they're eating it up in istanbul
― ogmor, Wednesday, 26 June 2019 14:27 (four years ago) link
she's definitely more serious/interesting than most of the Democratic field but a) the bar is very low and b) she just as definitely wallpapers over a lot of hard questions with flowery rhetoric and her easy-to-listen-to delivery of said rhetoric.
― Simon H., Wednesday, 26 June 2019 14:31 (four years ago) link
orrrrrrb gaaaaaaang
― oiocha, Wednesday, 26 June 2019 15:34 (four years ago) link
Love, socialism, it's all just semantics
― maffew12, Wednesday, 26 June 2019 15:36 (four years ago) link
(this occurs about 10min in)