no, i didn't know that the June 2019 US Politics thread was nasty

A society of the macabre. "Among supporters of the death penalty, support for a nuclear strike [on North Korea] actually rose from 38 percent to 49 percent when the number of expected North Korean fatalities increased from 15,000 to 1.1 million." https://t.co/e8mGvid17h

— Tim Shorrock (@TimothyS) June 25, 2019

we already made a grand gesture of our total indifference to human life by electing Trump tho

We did that by electing Reagan

We did that by electing Reagan Nixon

fixed

nixon andrew jackson

NC lawmaker says Lincoln ‘unjustly invaded’ the South, a ‘sovereign nation’

People in the old Confederate states say that shit all the time. They will never let go of it. The correct rejoinder for that kind of person is to accuse them of not "bearing true allegiance to the United States of America", because that turns the conversation into whether or not they are patriotic Americans and there's no way they won't swear up and down that they're ten times more patriotic than anyone else alive.

here we go again, look the United States has long had a record of invading hostile countries who engage in documented human rights abuses and atrocities so you know they had to put the smackdown on the CSA just like they did Germany, i don't see why this is so hard to understand for guys like that.

One of the failures of the Vietnamese revolution is Meghan McCain. https://t.co/u7N5pDAnOz

— Dennis Perrin (@DennisThePerrin) June 25, 2019

I had a brilliant college physics professor who pronounced nuclear "nucular." There's a good chance he was just trolling, but either way I admired him for it.

he also said "nuculus"

People in the old Confederate states say that shit all the time. They will never let go of it. The correct rejoinder for that kind of person is to accuse them of not "bearing true allegiance to the United States of America", because that turns the conversation into whether or not they are patriotic Americans and there's no way they won't swear up and down that they're ten times more patriotic than anyone else alive.

― A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, June 25, 2019 12:59 PM (three hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

These people were told by their grade school textbooks that Confederates were a part of a long American patriotic tradition of standing up for their own against an oppressive government, so this argument would sound absurd to them.

According to the Times, Pelosi fielded concerns from dozens of House Democrats on Sunday after calling for the passage of the $4.5 billion in emergency humanitarian aid. Pelosi claimed the bill protects families and “does not fund the administration’s failed mass detention policy.” However, more than 30 members of the Progressive Caucus and more than 15 members of the Hispanic Caucus told her that the bill didn’t hold migrant shelters to higher standards and didn’t stop the funds from being used for immigration enforcement.

“We all want to address the problems at the border, but we don’t know that there are enough sticks in this bill to make sure that the Trump administration actually spends the money the way they’re supposed to,” Washington Rep. Pramila Jayapal, a co-chair of the CPC, told the Times. “He’s creating these crises and then trying to point a finger at Democrats to give him more money, which he then uses for his own purposes.”

https://splinternews.com/aoc-and-other-democrats-are-rebelling-against-nancy-pel-1835836002

i would think that it would be a bad idea to get into an argument with a confederate loving racist about how patriotic they are, but that's because i think life is too short to spend arguing about patriotism with some terrible person who is probably concealing a handgun

When dueling culture is re-established by and in the south it will be interesting. I swear i will not be surprised. The way southern congressmen intimidated northern whigs was often very explicitly physical threats.

“David often tells young people, Americans don’t want to fight. But if someone picks a fight for us, we’ll win. We fight for love of our country,” the Trump told an audience at the White House.

Guardian and others should refer to him as 'the Trump' more

if he wasn't such a moron one could appreciate the subtlety of "for us" instead of "with us" in that statement

When dueling culture is re-established by and in the south it will be interesting. I swear i will not be surprised. The way southern congressmen intimidated northern whigs was often very explicitly physical threats.

― Hunt3r, Tuesday, June 25, 2019 4:32 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Don’t forget beating someone nearly to death by cane!

https://medium.com/@letterforawealthtax/an-open-letter-to-the-2020-presidential-candidates-its-time-to-tax-us-more-6eb3a548b2fe

it's past time, but why quibble?

https://art19.com/shows/why-is-this-happening-with-chris-hayes/episodes/bfdeff10-9cf1-4e7e-a0e6-3ec851362f0d
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/think/amp/ncna946711

m bison not sure how well those links translate but this sorta informal interview was wild for me.

politics in the 19th c were FUUUUUUCKED up

For those who mourn the collapse of comity and bipartisanship, the parties between 1865 and 1901 were locked the fuck down.

those were amazing years in the US, nothing but good stuff

https://thumbs-prod.si-cdn.com/witAV2R8o_5IWn3I0JjqNvdcivo=/fit-in/1600x0/https://public-media.si-cdn.com/filer/Past-Imperfect-Cleveland-child.jpg

tbf, pretty much every year in human history has been objectively terrible

2008 was p good

thats when i got married and graduated college, that was p good

but a 2008 college grad spouse would have to admit that the whole global financial crisis thing was a complete bummer that year

uh

I am pleased to announce that @HouseJudiciary and House Intel will have Special Counsel Robert Mueller testify in open session on July 17, pursuant to a subpoena issued this evening. https://t.co/wR0CEVqpJC

We look forward to having Mr. Mueller testify, as do all Americans. pic.twitter.com/UEKihMEYXI

— (((Rep. Nadler))) (@RepJerryNadler) June 26, 2019

rip grover cleveland. do we have any cartoons about trump raping women?

why didn't they subpoena mueller months ago?

Donald Trump lost a bid to halt a lawsuit brought by 201 Congressional Democrats who want a Washington federal court to require that the president seek approval from lawmakers before he accepts any financial benefits from foreign governments.

In a pair of orders issued Tuesday, U.S. District Judge Emmet Sullivan denied Trump’s request to halt the lawsuit so he could immediately appeal Sullivan’s earlier refusals to dismiss the case. The decision means the 2017 lawsuit led by U.S. Senator Richard Blumenthal of Connecticut can proceed.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-06-25/democrats-get-go-ahead-to-probe-president-s-finances-in-lawsuit

who knows if they negotiated

22 percent in https://t.co/SOpjd4k6q2 pic.twitter.com/sdFadv6SCV

— Gideon Resnick (@GideonResnick) June 26, 2019

this is going to be a squeaker https://web.enrboenyc.us/OF14CY0PY1.html

who are we rooting for here

Context

Queens votes for its next DA in 4 days. Rarely has a DA race been so focused on how to shake up mass incarceration. Shape of NYC's legal system & jail space is at stake.

I had great chat with 3 reporters about what's on the line. ICYMI, to read or listen: https://t.co/iZ6OFiH4Yz

— Taniel (@Taniel) June 21, 2019

We’re rooting for Caban

go caban

very nice

Among the many takeaways here: A pathetic result for new Queens Dem chair Greg Meeks, who attacked Warren and Sanders for endorsing Cabán over Katz https://t.co/W1pvU6Da7Q

— Dave Weigel (@daveweigel) June 26, 2019

hail queenmaker AOC

has there ever been when was the last time a new representative had this much influence in the first six months?

this is otm. i don't think the specific question is great or likely to get a newsmaking answer from mueller. but the point is correct.

No more legal experts on cable!
Former US attorneys/FBI types give legalistic answers about what Q they would ask Mueller. Then Jeremy Bash, who also understands politics, says his Q to Mueller would be: "Why? Why did Putin support Trump? Why did Trump want Putin's support?"

— Paul Kane (@pkcapitol) June 26, 2019

The time for these former USAs, FBI types is done. This is no longer a legal issue, it's entirely about congressional politics. Frankly, these former USAs overly hyped things on cable the past 12 weeks anyway, in terms of where even a D-led Congress was likely to go.

— Paul Kane (@pkcapitol) June 26, 2019

really not sure what he's on about, why this is a new revelation

you don't understand it but it is not a revelation? cool.

I'm interested! I looked at that thread but no, I didn't really understand it, what is he talking about

it's pretty self explanatory and apparently not a revelation to you so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

maybe I would understand it better if I knew what it was in reference to

what specific question? what does this have to do with mueller? I have not been following this